Agree with those who would like to see him at First Base. A few
are worried about his reaction to be playing another position.I
say too damn bad. He doesn't tell the organization where he is
playing. He is getting paid to produce both at the plate and in the field.
Game Thread - 9/16 - Bucs @ Mets
Moderators: SammyKhalifa, Doc, Bobster
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WildwoodDave2
Game Thread - 9/16 - Bucs @ Mets
4-3 game in the 8th. Right now, Voglebach's HR is the difference.
Coming back to haunt us
Coming back to haunt us
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WildwoodDave2
Game Thread - 9/16 - Bucs @ Mets
635D5850435B5B507055425106340 wrote: WE are ripping him defensively which he deserves. However
he just hit a bomb ( of course no one on). #16 for Cruz. He can always DH but hate to waste that arm.
I stand corrected. There was on e man on when Cruz homered
he just hit a bomb ( of course no one on). #16 for Cruz. He can always DH but hate to waste that arm.
I stand corrected. There was on e man on when Cruz homered
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WildwoodDave2
Game Thread - 9/16 - Bucs @ Mets
Bucs lose 4-3. They are now 55-90. 17 more to play
Game Thread - 9/16 - Bucs @ Mets
406D60717667703033020 wrote: Wow. What should have been back-to-back errors by Cruz. Charged with the first when he took his eye off the ball and it hit him in the chest. Then overran a popup and wasn't charged with an E. A good example of why fielding pct is essentially meaningless. The popup should have been caught but that is not an error reflected in his fielding pct.
That's on Suwinski. That's an error on no one in MLB. Suwinski is too passive, he needed to catch that ball and call off Cruz. Cruz did his job. End of story
That's on Suwinski. That's an error on no one in MLB. Suwinski is too passive, he needed to catch that ball and call off Cruz. Cruz did his job. End of story
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Bobster21
Game Thread - 9/16 - Bucs @ Mets
5D7B7C69606C7B6D650E0 wrote: Wow. What should have been back-to-back errors by Cruz. Charged with the first when he took his eye off the ball and it hit him in the chest. Then overran a popup and wasn't charged with an E. A good example of why fielding pct is essentially meaningless. The popup should have been caught but that is not an error reflected in his fielding pct.
That's on Suwinski. That's an error on no one in MLB. Suwinski is too passive, he needed to catch that ball and call off Cruz. Cruz did his job. End of story
Sure. ::)
That's on Suwinski. That's an error on no one in MLB. Suwinski is too passive, he needed to catch that ball and call off Cruz. Cruz did his job. End of story
Sure. ::)
Game Thread - 9/16 - Bucs @ Mets
Anyone see the clip of Tood Zeile ripping Ke'bryan Hayes on the play Escobar scored on when Gamel threw the ball to the bat boy?
I wonder if he continued to at least rip Tomas Nido in the same fashion for him to be still standing on first base?
Go to the MLB website for the game, pull up the video of that play. At the end of the video where they showed Escobar didn't run through any sign, Cora was waving him and then looked like he was going to stop him, but kept waving him on because he probably put the stop sign up too late. Look at Hayes. His glove is off as he watches the play, and he's pulling out a handful of sunflower seeds.
Pirates and Hayes are getting lambasted on twitter right now. https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1084426335527791
Thoughts? I already know where this is going with some people.
I wonder if he continued to at least rip Tomas Nido in the same fashion for him to be still standing on first base?
Go to the MLB website for the game, pull up the video of that play. At the end of the video where they showed Escobar didn't run through any sign, Cora was waving him and then looked like he was going to stop him, but kept waving him on because he probably put the stop sign up too late. Look at Hayes. His glove is off as he watches the play, and he's pulling out a handful of sunflower seeds.
Pirates and Hayes are getting lambasted on twitter right now. https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1084426335527791
Thoughts? I already know where this is going with some people.
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Bobster21
Game Thread - 9/16 - Bucs @ Mets
072126333A3621373F540 wrote: Anyone see the clip of Tood Zeile ripping Ke'bryan Hayes on the play Escobar scored on when Gamel threw the ball to the bat boy?
I wonder if he continued to at least rip Tomas Nido in the same fashion for him to be still standing on first base?
Go to the MLB website for the game, pull up the video of that play. At the end of the video where they showed Escobar didn't run through any sign, Cora was waving him and then looked like he was going to stop him, but kept waving him on because he probably put the stop sign up too late. Look at Hayes. His glove is off as he watches the play, and he's pulling out a handful of sunflower seeds.
Pirates and Hayes are getting lambasted on twitter right now. https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1084426335527791
Thoughts? I already know where this is going with some people.
Wow! That's a new one. I've never before seen a player take a time out to eat in the middle of a play. I wonder if that falls under the "plays hard for Shelton" category.
I guess we should be grateful he didn't pull out a fold-up table and chair and a plate of spaghetti. Maybe he could get Castro to call Doordash between pitches.
Players need to be held accountable. Hayes deserves a seat on the bench today. But Shelton usually treats a seat on the bench as a reward for a good game so I guess nothing will be done to Hayes.
I wonder if he continued to at least rip Tomas Nido in the same fashion for him to be still standing on first base?
Go to the MLB website for the game, pull up the video of that play. At the end of the video where they showed Escobar didn't run through any sign, Cora was waving him and then looked like he was going to stop him, but kept waving him on because he probably put the stop sign up too late. Look at Hayes. His glove is off as he watches the play, and he's pulling out a handful of sunflower seeds.
Pirates and Hayes are getting lambasted on twitter right now. https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1084426335527791
Thoughts? I already know where this is going with some people.
Wow! That's a new one. I've never before seen a player take a time out to eat in the middle of a play. I wonder if that falls under the "plays hard for Shelton" category.
I guess we should be grateful he didn't pull out a fold-up table and chair and a plate of spaghetti. Maybe he could get Castro to call Doordash between pitches. Players need to be held accountable. Hayes deserves a seat on the bench today. But Shelton usually treats a seat on the bench as a reward for a good game so I guess nothing will be done to Hayes.
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2drfischer@gmail.c
Game Thread - 9/16 - Bucs @ Mets
05232431383423353D560 wrote: Anyone see the clip of Tood Zeile ripping Ke'bryan Hayes on the play Escobar scored on when Gamel threw the ball to the bat boy?
I wonder if he continued to at least rip Tomas Nido in the same fashion for him to be still standing on first base?
Go to the MLB website for the game, pull up the video of that play. At the end of the video where they showed Escobar didn't run through any sign, Cora was waving him and then looked like he was going to stop him, but kept waving him on because he probably put the stop sign up too late. Look at Hayes. His glove is off as he watches the play, and he's pulling out a handful of sunflower seeds.
Pirates and Hayes are getting lambasted on twitter right now. https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1084426335527791
Thoughts? I already know where this is going with some people.
Obviously, every player isn't involved in every play every time. However, I always think of Derek Jeter and the play he made in the playoff game against the Athletics. He put himself in a position to help even though as the play unfolded, it seemed there would be no role for him. Turned out, in the one in a million chance, he was, and he was prepared.
There aren't that many plays in a baseball game. Is it too much to ask that the players be prepared to somehow help? They're getting to play a game so many of us would love to be playing. Is it that hard to work hard playing?
I wonder if he continued to at least rip Tomas Nido in the same fashion for him to be still standing on first base?
Go to the MLB website for the game, pull up the video of that play. At the end of the video where they showed Escobar didn't run through any sign, Cora was waving him and then looked like he was going to stop him, but kept waving him on because he probably put the stop sign up too late. Look at Hayes. His glove is off as he watches the play, and he's pulling out a handful of sunflower seeds.
Pirates and Hayes are getting lambasted on twitter right now. https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1084426335527791
Thoughts? I already know where this is going with some people.
Obviously, every player isn't involved in every play every time. However, I always think of Derek Jeter and the play he made in the playoff game against the Athletics. He put himself in a position to help even though as the play unfolded, it seemed there would be no role for him. Turned out, in the one in a million chance, he was, and he was prepared.
There aren't that many plays in a baseball game. Is it too much to ask that the players be prepared to somehow help? They're getting to play a game so many of us would love to be playing. Is it that hard to work hard playing?
Game Thread - 9/16 - Bucs @ Mets
193439282F3E29696A5B0 wrote: Anyone see the clip of Tood Zeile ripping Ke'bryan Hayes on the play Escobar scored on when Gamel threw the ball to the bat boy?
I wonder if he continued to at least rip Tomas Nido in the same fashion for him to be still standing on first base?
Go to the MLB website for the game, pull up the video of that play. At the end of the video where they showed Escobar didn't run through any sign, Cora was waving him and then looked like he was going to stop him, but kept waving him on because he probably put the stop sign up too late. Look at Hayes. His glove is off as he watches the play, and he's pulling out a handful of sunflower seeds.
Pirates and Hayes are getting lambasted on twitter right now. https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1084426335527791
Thoughts? I already know where this is going with some people.
Wow! That's a new one. I've never before seen a player take a time out to eat in the middle of a play. I wonder if that falls under the "plays hard for Shelton" category. I guess we should be grateful he didn't pull out a fold-up table and chair and a plate of spaghetti. Maybe he could get Castro to call Doordash between pitches.
Players need to be held accountable. Hayes deserves a seat on the bench today. But Shelton usually treats a seat on the bench as a reward for a good game so I guess nothing will be done to Hayes.
I was reading a lot of replies on the twitter thread. Many were defending him, saying he's out of the play, no big deal. That was probably a fact. But I agree with others who say it shows a guy who might be checked out for the season, it's a bad look for the team as a whole, and it's the kind of thing you don't do to build a winning culture.
I'm going to be watching a lot of baseball today, and hoping this will come up somewhere. A lot of people bashing him because of who his dad is, who never gave that kind of look from what I know.
There is no putting the genie back in the bottle with the way Shelton has been managing this team. Even if they start getting some of these guys elevating their games next season, even if the cautious promise of a potential competent, though young starting rotation emerging for next season plays out, it's this kind of attention to detail that needs to be fixed, and too much of this stuff has happened under Shelton.
We disagree on the Cruz play last night, but one thing I think we can agree on, is under Shelton's regime, this constant lack of communication between infielders/outfielders on those pop flies has been played over and over again, yet nothing ever seems to get rectified.
Derek Shelton is managing this team like he's managing Bradenton. When is he going to wake up and realize he's supposed to be in charge of guys who know how to play the game?
I anticipate an early/mid season firing next year of Shelton, because seeing this stuff makes me think it's not going to stop, and at some point the embarrassing plays that just keep happening with this team have to be stopped.
I'd bench Hayes and make him watch from the bench for the next 4 games. He'll see two opponents in playoff chases, and maybe he'll learn something from seeing how they do things on the field.
I wonder if he continued to at least rip Tomas Nido in the same fashion for him to be still standing on first base?
Go to the MLB website for the game, pull up the video of that play. At the end of the video where they showed Escobar didn't run through any sign, Cora was waving him and then looked like he was going to stop him, but kept waving him on because he probably put the stop sign up too late. Look at Hayes. His glove is off as he watches the play, and he's pulling out a handful of sunflower seeds.
Pirates and Hayes are getting lambasted on twitter right now. https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1084426335527791
Thoughts? I already know where this is going with some people.
Wow! That's a new one. I've never before seen a player take a time out to eat in the middle of a play. I wonder if that falls under the "plays hard for Shelton" category.
I guess we should be grateful he didn't pull out a fold-up table and chair and a plate of spaghetti. Maybe he could get Castro to call Doordash between pitches. Players need to be held accountable. Hayes deserves a seat on the bench today. But Shelton usually treats a seat on the bench as a reward for a good game so I guess nothing will be done to Hayes.
I was reading a lot of replies on the twitter thread. Many were defending him, saying he's out of the play, no big deal. That was probably a fact. But I agree with others who say it shows a guy who might be checked out for the season, it's a bad look for the team as a whole, and it's the kind of thing you don't do to build a winning culture.
I'm going to be watching a lot of baseball today, and hoping this will come up somewhere. A lot of people bashing him because of who his dad is, who never gave that kind of look from what I know.
There is no putting the genie back in the bottle with the way Shelton has been managing this team. Even if they start getting some of these guys elevating their games next season, even if the cautious promise of a potential competent, though young starting rotation emerging for next season plays out, it's this kind of attention to detail that needs to be fixed, and too much of this stuff has happened under Shelton.
We disagree on the Cruz play last night, but one thing I think we can agree on, is under Shelton's regime, this constant lack of communication between infielders/outfielders on those pop flies has been played over and over again, yet nothing ever seems to get rectified.
Derek Shelton is managing this team like he's managing Bradenton. When is he going to wake up and realize he's supposed to be in charge of guys who know how to play the game?
I anticipate an early/mid season firing next year of Shelton, because seeing this stuff makes me think it's not going to stop, and at some point the embarrassing plays that just keep happening with this team have to be stopped.
I'd bench Hayes and make him watch from the bench for the next 4 games. He'll see two opponents in playoff chases, and maybe he'll learn something from seeing how they do things on the field.