6A4D4665280 wrote: Another frustrating thing about the interview is that Huntington essentially admitted that external pre-season models from places like Fangraphs were right in predicting a .500 performance from this team.
So their strategy for making the playoffs was to hope that everybody stayed healthy and over performed.
That's not a real strategy.
That's the same plan he talked about last year (putting together a team capable of winning 80-82 games and hoping to overachieve). There was some discussion about whether that was the ongoing plan or if he was only referring to 2018. But now it seems that was also the plan this year.
NH promises more of the same pitching for 2020
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NH promises more of the same pitching for 2020
0F222F3E39283F7F7C4D0 wrote: The Huntington quotes in the PG article are bad, but the whole radio interview is worse.
He keeps referring to the improvement from the 2012 team (79-83) to the 2013 team (94-68) as an example.
I'm pretty sure this team doesn't have a developing MVP candidate like Cutch. And after Keller's performance last night, I'm pretty sure they don't have a developing number one starter like Cole.
I keep saying the more NH talks the worse he looks.
Maybe Alex McRae will develop a knuckleball this winter and pitch 300 innings next year. Getting Kuhl, Santana and Burdi back may be great but that doesn't come close to making up for loss of Taillon.
I think we see now why Nutting wanted NH around another 4 years. He's willing to go in front of a mic and BS his way thru the interviews to pretend that there actually is some reason for the fans to remain interested in the Bob Nutting product. Nutting has no interest in spending enough to assemble a competitive team (unless being under .500 late in a season without being mathematically eliminated from the 2nd WC spot is the new "competitive") so changing GMs won't do anything but make the fans realize "well, it wasn't the GM." NH's value to the organization is to be the front man who pretends he has a plan and no explanation is too embarrassing for him to say out loud. That makes him an MVP to Nutting.
Yes, I think you have identified 95% of NH's job description.
He keeps referring to the improvement from the 2012 team (79-83) to the 2013 team (94-68) as an example.
I'm pretty sure this team doesn't have a developing MVP candidate like Cutch. And after Keller's performance last night, I'm pretty sure they don't have a developing number one starter like Cole.
I keep saying the more NH talks the worse he looks.
Maybe Alex McRae will develop a knuckleball this winter and pitch 300 innings next year. Getting Kuhl, Santana and Burdi back may be great but that doesn't come close to making up for loss of Taillon.
I think we see now why Nutting wanted NH around another 4 years. He's willing to go in front of a mic and BS his way thru the interviews to pretend that there actually is some reason for the fans to remain interested in the Bob Nutting product. Nutting has no interest in spending enough to assemble a competitive team (unless being under .500 late in a season without being mathematically eliminated from the 2nd WC spot is the new "competitive") so changing GMs won't do anything but make the fans realize "well, it wasn't the GM." NH's value to the organization is to be the front man who pretends he has a plan and no explanation is too embarrassing for him to say out loud. That makes him an MVP to Nutting.
Yes, I think you have identified 95% of NH's job description.
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NH promises more of the same pitching for 2020
1B363B2A2D3C2B6B68590 wrote: The Huntington quotes in the PG article are bad, but the whole radio interview is worse.
He keeps referring to the improvement from the 2012 team (79-83) to the 2013 team (94-68) as an example.
I'm pretty sure this team doesn't have a developing MVP candidate like Cutch. And after Keller's performance last night, I'm pretty sure they don't have a developing number one starter like Cole.
I keep saying the more NH talks the worse he looks.
Maybe Alex McRae will develop a knuckleball this winter and pitch 300 innings next year. Getting Kuhl, Santana and Burdi back may be great but that doesn't come close to making up for loss of Taillon.
I think we see now why Nutting wanted NH around another 4 years. He's willing to go in front of a mic and BS his way thru the interviews to pretend that there actually is some reason for the fans to remain interested in the Bob Nutting product. Nutting has no interest in spending enough to assemble a competitive team (unless being under .500 late in a season without being mathematically eliminated from the 2nd WC spot is the new "competitive") so changing GMs won't do anything but make the fans realize "well, it wasn't the GM." NH's value to the organization is to be the front man who pretends he has a plan and no explanation is too embarrassing for him to say out loud. That makes him an MVP to Nutting.
Neither Clint or Neal are under any pressure. Now the usher in section is definitely nervous. Heads have to roll.
He keeps referring to the improvement from the 2012 team (79-83) to the 2013 team (94-68) as an example.
I'm pretty sure this team doesn't have a developing MVP candidate like Cutch. And after Keller's performance last night, I'm pretty sure they don't have a developing number one starter like Cole.
I keep saying the more NH talks the worse he looks.
Maybe Alex McRae will develop a knuckleball this winter and pitch 300 innings next year. Getting Kuhl, Santana and Burdi back may be great but that doesn't come close to making up for loss of Taillon.
I think we see now why Nutting wanted NH around another 4 years. He's willing to go in front of a mic and BS his way thru the interviews to pretend that there actually is some reason for the fans to remain interested in the Bob Nutting product. Nutting has no interest in spending enough to assemble a competitive team (unless being under .500 late in a season without being mathematically eliminated from the 2nd WC spot is the new "competitive") so changing GMs won't do anything but make the fans realize "well, it wasn't the GM." NH's value to the organization is to be the front man who pretends he has a plan and no explanation is too embarrassing for him to say out loud. That makes him an MVP to Nutting.
Neither Clint or Neal are under any pressure. Now the usher in section is definitely nervous. Heads have to roll.
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CarolinaBucco
NH promises more of the same pitching for 2020
Man next year's starting pitching is going to be an unmitigated disaster ... a collection of 5-7 guys all of whom would have to battle to be the No. 5 starter on a good team.
NH promises more of the same pitching for 2020
If you look at inefficiencies in the market (which seems to be the lot of the small market team), one should be older players. The rich teams are holding their prospects and trying to get players in their most productive years - now thought to be early to mid-twenties - so that older players linger on the market. It seems NH (or his successor) should be able to find people there who have some ability and want one more year, or, in the case of pitchers, would go with one year to "reestablish" their value.
NH promises more of the same pitching for 2020
6A68727462070 wrote: If you look at inefficiencies in the market (which seems to be the lot of the small market team), one should be older players. The rich teams are holding their prospects and trying to get players in their most productive years - now thought to be early to mid-twenties - so that older players linger on the market. It seems NH (or his successor) should be able to find people there who have some ability and want one more year, or, in the case of pitchers, would go with one year to "reestablish" their value.
Not to be harsh, but it's not really a market inefficiency if you're just talking about the dregs that high payroll teams won't sign. If the high payroll teams are being efficient, then the only scraps left are total longshots.
Not to be harsh, but it's not really a market inefficiency if you're just talking about the dregs that high payroll teams won't sign. If the high payroll teams are being efficient, then the only scraps left are total longshots.
NH promises more of the same pitching for 2020
It's interesting that our GM feels the need to think status quo relative to our pitching staff without considering an upgrade, but Cervelli is coming off the books, Dickerson is coming off the books or is off, Cabrera is off the books, isn't Liriano off the books? That is a decent amount to use to go after a bonafide starter.
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Bobster21
NH promises more of the same pitching for 2020
1D0D0C3B2D2D214E0 wrote: It's interesting that our GM feels the need to think status quo relative to our pitching staff without considering an upgrade, but Cervelli is coming off the books, Dickerson is coming off the books or is off, Cabrera is off the books, isn't Liriano off the books? That is a de cent amount to use to go after a bonafide starter.
Imagine Nutting salivating as players come off the books. I doubt that gives NH any additional money to spend. IMHO, NH is a very poor GM. Nutting's cheapness is not an excuse for NH's failures in drafting, developing and evaluating. Or for Hurdle's lack of game management skills. But NH is already finding excuses for not upgrading the pitching next year. That appears to be on Nutting who won't finance the acquisition of pitching upgrades. NH could do a lot better on drafting, developing and evaluating. But his hands are tied on acquiring better players.
Imagine Nutting salivating as players come off the books. I doubt that gives NH any additional money to spend. IMHO, NH is a very poor GM. Nutting's cheapness is not an excuse for NH's failures in drafting, developing and evaluating. Or for Hurdle's lack of game management skills. But NH is already finding excuses for not upgrading the pitching next year. That appears to be on Nutting who won't finance the acquisition of pitching upgrades. NH could do a lot better on drafting, developing and evaluating. But his hands are tied on acquiring better players.
NH promises more of the same pitching for 2020
466B66777061763635040 wrote: It's interesting that our GM feels the need to think status quo relative to our pitching staff without considering an upgrade, but Cervelli is coming off the books, Dickerson is coming off the books or is off, Cabrera is off the books, isn't Liriano off the books? That is a de cent amount to use to go after a bonafide starter.
Imagine Nutting salivating as players come off the books. I doubt that gives NH any additional money to spend. IMHO, NH is a very poor GM. Nutting's cheapness is not an excuse for NH's failures in drafting, developing and evaluating. Or for Hurdle's lack of game management skills. But NH is already finding excuses for not upgrading the pitching next year. That appears to be on Nutting who won't finance the acquisition of pitching upgrades. NH could do a lot better on drafting, developing and evaluating. But his hands are tied on acquiring better players.
yes, it is interesting that a lot of people that are apologists for Nutting or NH emphasize how much has been spent on the minor leagues. With the draft and international bonuses capped the Pirates can't say they are being outspent in those areas.
Imagine Nutting salivating as players come off the books. I doubt that gives NH any additional money to spend. IMHO, NH is a very poor GM. Nutting's cheapness is not an excuse for NH's failures in drafting, developing and evaluating. Or for Hurdle's lack of game management skills. But NH is already finding excuses for not upgrading the pitching next year. That appears to be on Nutting who won't finance the acquisition of pitching upgrades. NH could do a lot better on drafting, developing and evaluating. But his hands are tied on acquiring better players.
yes, it is interesting that a lot of people that are apologists for Nutting or NH emphasize how much has been spent on the minor leagues. With the draft and international bonuses capped the Pirates can't say they are being outspent in those areas.
NH promises more of the same pitching for 2020
7969685F4949452A0 wrote: It's interesting that our GM feels the need to think status quo relative to our pitching staff without considering an upgrade, but Cervelli is coming off the books, Dickerson is coming off the books or is off, Cabrera is off the books, isn't Liriano off the books? That is a decent amount to use to go after a bonafide starter.
Cervelli 11.5 million
Dickerson 5.7
Chisenhall 2.75
Liriano 1.8
Cabrera 1.15
AND they will have increased revenue from a new TV contract. Bell will probably get a hefty raise in arbitration, but that's a lot of "financial flexibility".
Cervelli 11.5 million
Dickerson 5.7
Chisenhall 2.75
Liriano 1.8
Cabrera 1.15
AND they will have increased revenue from a new TV contract. Bell will probably get a hefty raise in arbitration, but that's a lot of "financial flexibility".