I think at this point he is probably seen as a bit of a risk. Doing well brought his value back up some, but he also had a bad August which soured his resurgence a bit. Teams that rely on metrics know he cannot play an above average center field any more. What do you give up to get a guy like him with one year left on his contract? Do you give up a couple of high ceiling A-level prospects?
How do other teams see McCutchen?
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Bobster21
How do other teams see McCutchen?
383D3A3C343E273A3320262B520 wrote: I think at this point he is probably seen as a bit of a risk. Doing well brought his value back up some, but he also had a bad August which soured his resurgence a bit. Teams that rely on metrics know he cannot play an above average center field any more. What do you give up to get a guy like him with one year left on his contract? Do you give up a couple of high ceiling A-level prospects?
Depends on the need for him. In the off season, the risks might outweigh the willingness to give up top prospects. But during the season when a serious contender is looking for an edge to get them over the top they might go all in and give up more than they should. But that would only happen if Cutch is having a good season. So if the Pirates are going to wait and trade him during the season, they run the risk of having him do poorly and reduce the trade return. No easy answer.
Depends on the need for him. In the off season, the risks might outweigh the willingness to give up top prospects. But during the season when a serious contender is looking for an edge to get them over the top they might go all in and give up more than they should. But that would only happen if Cutch is having a good season. So if the Pirates are going to wait and trade him during the season, they run the risk of having him do poorly and reduce the trade return. No easy answer.
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dogknot17@yahoo.co
How do other teams see McCutchen?
I like comparing Andrew McCutchen to Ryan Braun. He may no longer be a huge threat or the guy you avoid in the line up, but he is still a fine all around ball player. I am sure many teams would love to have an outfielder that bats .280, 25 HR and 80 RBI with an OPS over .800.
How do other teams see McCutchen?
537E73626574632320110 wrote: I think at this point he is probably seen as a bit of a risk. Doing well brought his value back up some, but he also had a bad August which soured his resurgence a bit. Teams that rely on metrics know he cannot play an above average center field any more. What do you give up to get a guy like him with one year left on his contract? Do you give up a couple of high ceiling A-level prospects?
Depends on the need for him. In the off season, the risks might outweigh the willingness to give up top prospects. But during the season when a serious contender is looking for an edge to get them over the top they might go all in and give up more than they should. But that would only happen if Cutch is having a good season. So if the Pirates are going to wait and trade him during the season, they run the risk of having him do poorly and reduce the trade return. No easy answer.
Bobster is spot on. If Cutch is playing well he will likely be moved at a nice premium at next year's trade deadline. And that makes sense...players with expiring contracts become like special purpose consultants or mercenaries. Verlander is a perfect example....the buyer pays dearly but only for the situation and period of time they are needed. Hopefully, if Cutch is playing well, we will be the ones paying dearly for another team's player with an expiring contract. Anyone buy that positive thinking?
Depends on the need for him. In the off season, the risks might outweigh the willingness to give up top prospects. But during the season when a serious contender is looking for an edge to get them over the top they might go all in and give up more than they should. But that would only happen if Cutch is having a good season. So if the Pirates are going to wait and trade him during the season, they run the risk of having him do poorly and reduce the trade return. No easy answer.
Bobster is spot on. If Cutch is playing well he will likely be moved at a nice premium at next year's trade deadline. And that makes sense...players with expiring contracts become like special purpose consultants or mercenaries. Verlander is a perfect example....the buyer pays dearly but only for the situation and period of time they are needed. Hopefully, if Cutch is playing well, we will be the ones paying dearly for another team's player with an expiring contract. Anyone buy that positive thinking?
How do other teams see McCutchen?
Verlander is under contract through 2020.
How do other teams see McCutchen?
Whoa. I must acknowledge that oversight. Had I known a top player like Verlander had that much time left under contract I would have thought the Bucs would have made a stronger play to acquire him. 
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How do other teams see McCutchen?
00072B3C2A490 wrote: Whoa. I must acknowledge that oversight. Had I known a top player like Verlander had that much time left under contract I would have thought the Bucs would have made a stronger play to acquire him.
I thought the issue was that everyone thought he was washed up
I thought the issue was that everyone thought he was washed up
How do other teams see McCutchen?
497B77776351727B76737C7B1A0 wrote: Whoa. I must acknowledge that oversight. Had I known a top player like Verlander had that much time left under contract I would have thought the Bucs would have made a stronger play to acquire him.
I thought the issue was that everyone thought he was washed up
I don't see why anyone thought he was washed up. He was poor in 2014, had good stats but was hurt in 2015 and had a good 2016. He was decent with Tigers in 2017 and great with Astros. He led league in strikeouts and whip in 2016.
He is getting paid $28 million a year though.
I thought the issue was that everyone thought he was washed up
I don't see why anyone thought he was washed up. He was poor in 2014, had good stats but was hurt in 2015 and had a good 2016. He was decent with Tigers in 2017 and great with Astros. He led league in strikeouts and whip in 2016.
He is getting paid $28 million a year though.
How do other teams see McCutchen?
14133F283E5D0 wrote: I think at this point he is probably seen as a bit of a risk. Doing well brought his value back up some, but he also had a bad August which soured his resurgence a bit. Teams that rely on metrics know he cannot play an above average center field any more. What do you give up to get a guy like him with one year left on his contract? Do you give up a couple of high ceiling A-level prospects?
Depends on the need for him. In the off season, the risks might outweigh the willingness to give up top prospects. But during the season when a serious contender is looking for an edge to get them over the top they might go all in and give up more than they should. But that would only happen if Cutch is having a good season. So if the Pirates are going to wait and trade him during the season, they run the risk of having him do poorly and reduce the trade return. No easy answer.
Bobster is spot on. If Cutch is playing well he will likely be moved at a nice premium at next year's trade deadline. And that makes sense...players with expiring contracts become like special purpose consultants or mercenaries. Verlander is a perfect example....the buyer pays dearly but only for the situation and period of time they are needed. Hopefully, if Cutch is playing well, we will be the ones paying dearly for another team's player with an expiring contract. Anyone buy that positive thinking?
There is NO SENSE waiting until the trade deadline to unload him. Last year, after a crap year, Washington still wanted him nd offered a nice package. Our GM made a terrible move by not dealing him. He rebounds a bit because of 2.5 great months. He doesn't have much left on his deal. Teams will give up more for a guy with a year left then a final 2 months. Don't put it on hoping you can maximize a deal with Cutch going bananas to start the 2018 season. Like I said, he didn't fair well for most of the year in 2017.
If someone wants to give a similar deal, you take it in the offseason and not look back. Why? Because its pretty obvious management/ownership won't add anything substantial to make this team a potential playoff contender.
Depends on the need for him. In the off season, the risks might outweigh the willingness to give up top prospects. But during the season when a serious contender is looking for an edge to get them over the top they might go all in and give up more than they should. But that would only happen if Cutch is having a good season. So if the Pirates are going to wait and trade him during the season, they run the risk of having him do poorly and reduce the trade return. No easy answer.
Bobster is spot on. If Cutch is playing well he will likely be moved at a nice premium at next year's trade deadline. And that makes sense...players with expiring contracts become like special purpose consultants or mercenaries. Verlander is a perfect example....the buyer pays dearly but only for the situation and period of time they are needed. Hopefully, if Cutch is playing well, we will be the ones paying dearly for another team's player with an expiring contract. Anyone buy that positive thinking?
There is NO SENSE waiting until the trade deadline to unload him. Last year, after a crap year, Washington still wanted him nd offered a nice package. Our GM made a terrible move by not dealing him. He rebounds a bit because of 2.5 great months. He doesn't have much left on his deal. Teams will give up more for a guy with a year left then a final 2 months. Don't put it on hoping you can maximize a deal with Cutch going bananas to start the 2018 season. Like I said, he didn't fair well for most of the year in 2017.
If someone wants to give a similar deal, you take it in the offseason and not look back. Why? Because its pretty obvious management/ownership won't add anything substantial to make this team a potential playoff contender.
How do other teams see McCutchen?
5C717C6D6A7B6C2C2F1E0 wrote: I think at this point he is probably seen as a bit of a risk. Doing well brought his value back up some, but he also had a bad August which soured his resurgence a bit. Teams that rely on metrics know he cannot play an above average center field any more. What do you give up to get a guy like him with one year left on his contract? Do you give up a couple of high ceiling A-level prospects?
Depends on the need for him. In the off season, the risks might outweigh the willingness to give up top prospects. But during the season when a serious contender is looking for an edge to get them over the top they might go all in and give up more than they should. But that would only happen if Cutch is having a good season. So if the Pirates are going to wait and trade him during the season, they run the risk of having him do poorly and reduce the trade return. No easy answer.
You unload him now if you get an offer that somewhat resembles last year's Washington offer. Don't put it in the hands of Cutch hoping he goes off early.
Depends on the need for him. In the off season, the risks might outweigh the willingness to give up top prospects. But during the season when a serious contender is looking for an edge to get them over the top they might go all in and give up more than they should. But that would only happen if Cutch is having a good season. So if the Pirates are going to wait and trade him during the season, they run the risk of having him do poorly and reduce the trade return. No easy answer.
You unload him now if you get an offer that somewhat resembles last year's Washington offer. Don't put it in the hands of Cutch hoping he goes off early.