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Obviously this organization is in denial. By these contracts they are saying there is no problem everything is good, but the results of the last 2 years say something entirely different. I say quite going to games and maybe they will get the message. Looks like we are in for several years more of losing baseball and I for one can't watch this crap any longer.

465E5C5B5B4C5D5A474650350 wrote: Obviously this organization is in denial.  By these contracts they are saying there is no problem everything is good, but the results of the last 2 years say something entirely different.  I say quite going to games and maybe they will get the message.  Looks like we are in for several years more of losing baseball and I for one can't watch this crap any longer.
This was not unexpected, unfortunately. The org is not going to say, "Sorry, fans but we're too cheap to compete." So they have to act like these past 2 seasons were minor setbacks and everything is in place to be just fine. Firing the mgr and/or GM is an admission of a major problem and Nutting won't admit to that. He also knows there's little any other mgr or GM could do with the financial restrictions they'll work under. I believe a better mgr could do more with what he's given and make watching the game a little more enjoyable. But it won't get them in the post season as long as the primary goal is to save money rather than win. Also, if a new mgr and/or GM was put in place with the same results due to Nutting's cheapness, there would be no alternative for even the most casual fan to realize it is Nutting who prevents success. At least now there are fans who feel that what's preventing winning is the mgr and/or GM. That creates a blame buffer for Nutting. He's not going to give that up.

796163646473626578796F0A0 wrote: Obviously this organization is in denial.  By these contracts they are saying there is no problem everything is good, but the results of the last 2 years say something entirely different.  I say quite going to games and maybe they will get the message.  Looks like we are in for several years more of losing baseball and I for one can't watch this crap any longer.


I really don't have an issue as much as how they chose to handle the loss of Kang and Marte. They chose not add an outfielder and claimed none were available when other teams, around the same time, were able to find answers to their own problems. Their were outfielders to be had, whether on the bench in the majors somewhere or in AAA starting.

726A686F6F78696E737264010 wrote: Obviously this organization is in denial.  By these contracts they are saying there is no problem everything is good, but the results of the last 2 years say something entirely different.  I say quite going to games and maybe they will get the message.  Looks like we are in for several years more of losing baseball and I for one can't watch this crap any longer.


The two men who got extended turned the franchise around once before. When they did that, it was in much, much worse shape. Why wouldn't there be belief they can't do it again? Their entire body of work should be judged, not just the last two years.

183538292E3F28686B5A0 wrote: Obviously this organization is in denial.  By these contracts they are saying there is no problem everything is good, but the results of the last 2 years say something entirely different.  I say quite going to games and maybe they will get the message.  Looks like we are in for several years more of losing baseball and I for one can't watch this crap any longer.
This was not unexpected, unfortunately. The org is not going to say, "Sorry, fans but we're too cheap to compete." So they have to act like these past 2 seasons were minor setbacks and everything is in place to be just fine. Firing the mgr and/or GM is an admission of a major problem and Nutting won't admit to that. He also knows there's little any other mgr or GM could do with the financial restrictions they'll work under. I believe a better mgr could do more with what he's given and make watching the game a little more enjoyable. But it won't get them in the post season as long as the primary goal is to save money rather than win. Also, if a new mgr and/or GM was put in place with the same results due to Nutting's cheapness, there would be no alternative for even the most casual fan to realize it is Nutting who prevents success. At least now there are fans who feel that what's preventing winning is the mgr and/or GM. That creates a blame buffer for Nutting. He's not going to give that up.


When the stadium is empty and the city loses millions of revenue from fans maybe someone will care. That will happen if Hurdle is allowed to mis-manage 4 more years. If they fired Hurdle at least they would signal they recognize there's a problem. The way it looks now, no one even knows there's a problem. When you lose 2 years in a row with each year a little worse than the last, I know what's in store next year and the next. Sad for Pittsburg.

I think they could have moved on from Hurdle, but I think the NH signing was good.



The recent posting seems pretty hysterical around here. I guess I just can't comprehend what people want the GM to do right now. I understand that there were moves they should have made and dollars allocated in prior offseasons, but we're all GM of the year in hindsight. They didn't adequately prepare for McCutchen's being a replacement cost value player for over a year and their two best offensive players from 2016 being MIA. It sucks, but the Pirates margin for error is smaller than the Dodgers, especially on the offensive side of the ball. Mashers are expensive. The rotation that everyone was freaking out about prior to the season has been strong for this team, it definitely looked bad to start the year, but the Searage, Hurldle, NH group has proven capably of working that out. While the Pirates were ahead of the curve on run prevention strategies, they've fallen way behind on the league wide response to those defensive strategies. They need to get some hitters that employ those loft swings and add some thump to the order. We are in year two of being slightly below .500, they are going to turn this around.

No, they're bad now and that means that they'll never be good again.



Just like how a few years ago they were good for two seasons, and that meant that they would never be bad again.

They had 67 win in 2008, 62 wins in 2009, 57 wins in 2010.  Then they started to win games.  72 in 2011, 79 in 2012, 94 in 2013.



They are on pace for the pretty much the same record as last year too.  Their attendance this year will probably be in their top ten of all time in their 135 year history.



The good has outweighed the bad in my opinion.  I have hope they can turn this around like they did before.  I look at the whole body of work and not just the last two years.

545F575B5E5F440107704951585F5F1E535F300 wrote: They had 67 win in 2008, 62 wins in 2009, 57 wins in 2010.  Then they started to win games.  72 in 2011, 79 in 2012, 94 in 2013.



They are on pace for the pretty much the same record as last year too.  Their attendance this year will probably be in their top ten of all time in their 135 year history.



The good has outweighed the bad in my opinion.  I have hope they can turn this around like they did before.  I look at the whole body of work and not just the last two years.


I'm generally positive but some moves (or lack thereof) of the past few years have been unsettling.  I don't think they're fire-able issues, but at the same time the extension is a year or two too long for me. 

444F474B4E4F541117605941484F4F0E434F200 wrote: Obviously this organization is in denial.  By these contracts they are saying there is no problem everything is good, but the results of the last 2 years say something entirely different.  I say quite going to games and maybe they will get the message.  Looks like we are in for several years more of losing baseball and I for one can't watch this crap any longer.


The two men who got extended turned the franchise around once before.  When they did that, it was in much, much worse shape.  Why wouldn't there be belief they can't do it again?  Their entire body of work should be judged, not just the last two years.
If you deny there's a problem then you can't fix it. Doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results is madness. If you don't know it's wrong to leave Tony Watson as closer for almost a year when he never demonstrated the abiiity to do that job, just because Hurdle decided he could make him a closer. He put his pride before the team, by not willing to admit he was wrong when it was obvious to almost everyone he was and especially when he had Rivero available to fill that role. That one example cost this team at least 5 wins a difference in making this team a continder instead of a pretender. A manager can make a real difference no matter what you tell yourself to rationalze why this team is going to have a losing record 2 years in a row. If he hadn't done that one thing then we would be 72-67 and in second place and in the running for a wild card spot. There would be real interest in the city of Pittsburg and not the apathe we now have. That's just one thing there were many other mis steps he made. I realize he can't be perfect but wow to say he sould be rewarded for the miserable job he has done the last 2 years is awful and sends the message that failure is exceptable.