Nova to Start Today vs Cubs

SteadyFreddy · Post by **SteadyFreddy** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:36 pm

1E2C20203406252C21242B2C4D0 wrote: no chance for .500? They're one under. i mean things aren't going well right now but it's not a stretch to think it's possible they win one game more than they lose over the next 97 games. It’s possible but even if they finish .500 at 81-81 or 82-80 that isn’t gonna be anywhere close to being good enough to make the playoffs or even contend in the long run as a 2nd wildcard. Finishing .500 means nothing to me anymore and it should mean nothing to most Pirates fans. The goal is to have a winning record and make the playoffs and right now this team pretty much after this recent 6-16 stretch has zero percent chance of doing so.

SCBucco · Post by **SCBucco** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:37 pm

6E5C50504476555C51545B5C3D0 wrote: no chance for .500? They're one under. i mean things aren't going well right now but it's not a stretch to think it's possible they win one game more than they lose over the next 97 games.

They will be moving pieces before or on the trade deadline. This roster won't stay in tact. We don't have the consistency from the starting rotation to go one game above .500 the rest of the way out. We have no depth in our rotation either.

notes34 · Post by **notes34** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:48 pm

5747467167676B040 wrote: no chance for .500? They're one under. i mean things aren't going well right now but it's not a stretch to think it's possible they win one game more than they lose over the next 97 games.

They will be moving pieces before or on the trade deadline. This roster won't stay in tact. We don't have the consistency from the starting rotation to go one game above .500 the rest of the way out. We have no depth in our rotation either.
I certainly agree. There is no way they stay over .500.

SammyKhalifa · Post by **SammyKhalifa** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:58 pm

57564D5C4A0A0D390 wrote: no chance for .500? They're one under. i mean things aren't going well right now but it's not a stretch to think it's possible they win one game more than they lose over the next 97 games.

They will be moving pieces before or on the trade deadline. This roster won't stay in tact. We don't have the consistency from the starting rotation to go one game above .500 the rest of the way out. We have no depth in our rotation either.
I certainly agree. There is no way they stay over .500.

Hey, I said they were going to win 77 games, which is looking pretty good right now. But things can happen we don't expect. Just dismissing the idea that they can do it seems a bit premature (in the same way it was premature to say we would win the division a few weeks ago just because we had a hot stretch and were in a one game lead).

dmetz · Post by **dmetz** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:05 pm

If we can just find a way to have a .500 season this year, we can use that to defend the FO for the next 3 years... come on Pirates! This team was a contender this year for 2 months before the usual nosedive.

Some of the roster decisions being made are not baseball moves, so the org isn't really trying either. Frazier going down instead of SRod being released or DFA'ed is just asset management. Moroff is hot again in AAA, and could be called up to replace SRod. Newman could be called up to replace SRod. We have no need for him in the OF, so he's essentially a backup infielder with a no bad and a suspect glove lately.

SRod has hit like .170 for a full calendar year now. Check out the numbers for yourselves. You can't replace this guy?

Bobster21 · Post by **Bobster21** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:18 pm

525B53424C360 wrote: If we can just find a way to have a .500 season this year, we can use that to defend the FO for the next 3 years... come on Pirates! This team was a contender this year for 2 months before the usual nosedive.

Some of the roster decisions being made are not baseball moves, so the org isn't really trying either. Frazier going down instead of SRod being released or DFA'ed is just asset management. Moroff is hot again in AAA, and could be called up to replace SRod. Newman could be called up to replace SRod. We have no need for him in the OF, so he's essentially a backup infielder with a no bad and a suspect glove lately.

SRod has hit like .170 for a full calendar year now. Check out the numbers for yourselves. You can't replace this guy?
I think as Pirate fans, we all understand they won't compete financially to obtain or hold onto top players. All we ask is that they make the best use of what they've got. And that's why it's so maddening to see them run so poorly from the roster decisions of NH to the dugout decisions of CH.

SteadyFreddy · Post by **SteadyFreddy** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:24 pm

222B23323C460 wrote: If we can just find a way to have a .500 season this year, we can use that to defend the FO for the next 3 years... come on Pirates! This team was a contender this year for 2 months before the usual nosedive.

Some of the roster decisions being made are not baseball moves. Frazier going down instead of SRod being released or DFA'ed is just asset management. That’s sad but it’s true. They will use the two months and the 26-17 start to justify that they were good enough this year to compete. I heard Huntington’s comments on Rodriguez yesterday and they were absurd for him trying to justify keeping him around longer. You can listen to the comments by Huntington in that interview and wonder why this team doesn’t win games and is not successful.

SteadyFreddy · Post by **SteadyFreddy** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:31 pm

565F574648320 wrote: If we can just find a way to have a .500 season this year, we can use that to defend the FO for the next 3 years... come on Pirates! This team was a contender this year for 2 months before the usual nosedive.

Some of the roster decisions being made are not baseball moves, so the org isn't really trying either. Frazier going down instead of SRod being released or DFA'ed is just asset management. Moroff is hot again in AAA, and could be called up to replace SRod. Newman could be called up to replace SRod. We have no need for him in the OF, so he's essentially a backup infielder with a no bad and a suspect glove lately.

SRod has hit like .170 for a full calendar year now. Check out the numbers for yourselves. You can't replace this guy? Ya it’s flat out inexcusable for the Pirates to not only keep Rodriguez around but for Hurdle to start him 1/3 of the time as well. No other team in baseball would be doing this kind of thing. Now Rodriguez is a great guy we get that and I have no problem with him personally but that’s not a good enough reason for me to keep him around on this team when there are better options available. Listening to Huntington it doesn’t sound like he is gong anywhere anytime soon which is just flat out insane.

INbuc · Post by **INbuc** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:10 pm

I think infield change is imminent. Jordy’s contract is up and will likely be gone by the trade deadline. SRod’s contract is up as well – I would not be surprised if TBMTIB is playing SRod hoping he gets hot and will command some warm prospect in return and save some salary. The Buc’s hold team options on Harrison, but I think he will be traded. Freese’s contract is up and I doubt the Buc’s pick up his team option either.

Kang will be here shortly. Newman is ready (Tucker is not). Moroff, Bostic, Reyes, Frazier, and Kramer are all options. All the guys in bold will be around tonight, but some will be moved shortly, and none will be a Pirate opening day of 2019.

SammyKhalifa · Post by **SammyKhalifa** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:14 pm

I bet they keep Harrison around though, but I agree with you mostly