9/13 vs Brewers
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9/13 vs Brewers
It did look to me as though the Brewers were sitting on the fastball. It would help if he threw more curves or changes early in the game. His change looked good at one point. He could have started the curve over the plate instead of off of it, and that might have helped as well.
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SammyKhalifa
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9/13 vs Brewers
37352F293F5A0 wrote: It did look to me as though the Brewers were sitting on the fastball. It would help if he threw more curves or changes early in the game. His change looked good at one point. He could have started the curve over the plate instead of off of it, and that might have helped as well.
I don't know, if it were that simple you'd think they would have changed that by now.
I don't know, if it were that simple you'd think they would have changed that by now.
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dogknot17@yahoo.co
9/13 vs Brewers
He doesn't throw enough strikes. Plain and simple. I just don't know if he nibbles too much or he is actually that wild.
Minor leaguers probably chase a lot more. They are trying to get hits to get their average and production up. They probably don't want to take that many walks.
Glasnow is all over the place. The umpire didn't help either. That is a double whammy when he finally throws strikes and they are called balls.
Minor leaguers probably chase a lot more. They are trying to get hits to get their average and production up. They probably don't want to take that many walks.
Glasnow is all over the place. The umpire didn't help either. That is a double whammy when he finally throws strikes and they are called balls.
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Bobster21
9/13 vs Brewers
7072686E781D0 wrote: I'm not sure it helps that Diaz keeps setting up in different places behind the plate. On the one pitch he was essentially off the plate and had to lunge for a pitch over the plate that was also called a ball. No doubt there's good reason for it, but somehow I think it would be helpful if he centered himself a bit more. At some level that has to affect an umpire's judgment.
That's on Glasnow, not Diaz and has always been Glasnow's problem. He doesn't have good enough command to locate his strikes. If he throws a strike right over the plate but Diaz was set up off the plate and has to lunge because the pitch missed its mark, it shows Glasnow is not hitting his spots. If Diaz called for a strike down the middle, that's where he would be set up. This was the issue when Glasnow was sent to AAA. We knew he would put up strong numbers against those hitters. But the question was whether or not he could locate his pitches where they were supposed to go.
That's on Glasnow, not Diaz and has always been Glasnow's problem. He doesn't have good enough command to locate his strikes. If he throws a strike right over the plate but Diaz was set up off the plate and has to lunge because the pitch missed its mark, it shows Glasnow is not hitting his spots. If Diaz called for a strike down the middle, that's where he would be set up. This was the issue when Glasnow was sent to AAA. We knew he would put up strong numbers against those hitters. But the question was whether or not he could locate his pitches where they were supposed to go.
9/13 vs Brewers
7D767E7277766D282E596078717676377A76190 wrote: He doesn't throw enough strikes. Plain and simple. I just don't know if he nibbles too much or he is actually that wild.
Minor leaguers probably chase a lot more. They are trying to get hits to get their average and production up. They probably don't want to take that many walks.
Glasnow is all over the place. The umpire didn't help either. That is a double whammy when he finally throws strikes and they are called balls.
A major league hitter is going to make Glasnow throw strikes. You can go up to the plate against him thinking if he throws the pitch right down the middle I'll swing. Otherwise take and it is good chance to get ahead in the count.
Right now, major league hitters want to face him.
Minor leaguers probably chase a lot more. They are trying to get hits to get their average and production up. They probably don't want to take that many walks.
Glasnow is all over the place. The umpire didn't help either. That is a double whammy when he finally throws strikes and they are called balls.
A major league hitter is going to make Glasnow throw strikes. You can go up to the plate against him thinking if he throws the pitch right down the middle I'll swing. Otherwise take and it is good chance to get ahead in the count.
Right now, major league hitters want to face him.
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ScottinMass
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9/13 vs Brewers
1. I am of the belief as others are, that it will take a lot more seasoning for Glasnow to be considered a strike thrower. It may never come, but for now, we have to assume the best we will see from him is 6 IP 100 pitches. Once in a while it will be 7 IP. That's what he is at this point. I would like to see him get at least 2 more starts this season.
2. Not comparing him to Randy Johnson, but Johnson had a lot of the same control issues early in his career, 512 BB's in his first 790 IP, then figured it out, including a season where he only had 44 BB's in 245 IP. Again, I'm not saying he is the next Randy Johnson, but I'm saying that there may be hope he can figure it out at the ML level.
3. Ball and Strike calls are terrible. Worse this year than I can remember. As a former college catcher (big deal, I know), I hated pitchers who couldn't throw strikes. In the crouch forever, and boring as hell. Why don't umpires have that same feeling? If they did, why wouldn't they call more borderline pitches strikes? What logic would they have to want to sit back there walk after walk? It is really puzzling to me.
4. Where is the accountability for the umpires? I'm sure there must be some, but year after year we see the same guys with terrible strike zones, bad judgement, etc, being put on postseason games. Why is that? Are they all bad??
2. Not comparing him to Randy Johnson, but Johnson had a lot of the same control issues early in his career, 512 BB's in his first 790 IP, then figured it out, including a season where he only had 44 BB's in 245 IP. Again, I'm not saying he is the next Randy Johnson, but I'm saying that there may be hope he can figure it out at the ML level.
3. Ball and Strike calls are terrible. Worse this year than I can remember. As a former college catcher (big deal, I know), I hated pitchers who couldn't throw strikes. In the crouch forever, and boring as hell. Why don't umpires have that same feeling? If they did, why wouldn't they call more borderline pitches strikes? What logic would they have to want to sit back there walk after walk? It is really puzzling to me.
4. Where is the accountability for the umpires? I'm sure there must be some, but year after year we see the same guys with terrible strike zones, bad judgement, etc, being put on postseason games. Why is that? Are they all bad??
9/13 vs Brewers
61515D46465B5C7F534141320 wrote: 1. I am of the belief as others are, that it will take a lot more seasoning for Glasnow to be considered a strike thrower. It may never come, but for now, we have to assume the best we will see from him is 6 IP 100 pitches. Once in a while it will be 7 IP. That's what he is at this point. I would like to see him get at least 2 more starts this season.
2. Not comparing him to Randy Johnson, but Johnson had a lot of the same control issues early in his career, 512 BB's in his first 790 IP, then figured it out, including a season where he only had 44 BB's in 245 IP. Again, I'm not saying he is the next Randy Johnson, but I'm saying that there may be hope he can figure it out at the ML level.
3. Ball and Strike calls are terrible. Worse this year than I can remember. As a former college catcher (big deal, I know), I hated pitchers who couldn't throw strikes. In the crouch forever, and boring as hell. Why don't umpires have that same feeling? If they did, why wouldn't they call more borderline pitches strikes? What logic would they have to want to sit back there walk after walk? It is really puzzling to me.
4. Where is the accountability for the umpires? I'm sure there must be some, but year after year we see the same guys with terrible strike zones, bad judgement, etc, being put on postseason games. Why is that? Are they all bad??
The strike zone drives me crazy. I have heard forever that umps have slightly different strike zones ( and going way back it was partially explained that there was a difference in AL and NL umps because of different chest protectors) but that consistency was all players needed. Well in 2017 there is no consistency in calls.
2. Not comparing him to Randy Johnson, but Johnson had a lot of the same control issues early in his career, 512 BB's in his first 790 IP, then figured it out, including a season where he only had 44 BB's in 245 IP. Again, I'm not saying he is the next Randy Johnson, but I'm saying that there may be hope he can figure it out at the ML level.
3. Ball and Strike calls are terrible. Worse this year than I can remember. As a former college catcher (big deal, I know), I hated pitchers who couldn't throw strikes. In the crouch forever, and boring as hell. Why don't umpires have that same feeling? If they did, why wouldn't they call more borderline pitches strikes? What logic would they have to want to sit back there walk after walk? It is really puzzling to me.
4. Where is the accountability for the umpires? I'm sure there must be some, but year after year we see the same guys with terrible strike zones, bad judgement, etc, being put on postseason games. Why is that? Are they all bad??
The strike zone drives me crazy. I have heard forever that umps have slightly different strike zones ( and going way back it was partially explained that there was a difference in AL and NL umps because of different chest protectors) but that consistency was all players needed. Well in 2017 there is no consistency in calls.
9/13 vs Brewers
53636F7474696E4D617373000 wrote:
2. Not comparing him to Randy Johnson, but Johnson had a lot of the same control issues early in his career, 512 BB's in his first 790 IP, then figured it out, including a season where he only had 44 BB's in 245 IP. Again, I'm not saying he is the next Randy Johnson, but I'm saying that there may be hope he can figure it out at the ML level.
You say you're not comparing Glasnow to Randy Johnson but then say:
"If Randy Johnson can figure it out then maybe Glasnow can too."
You are absolutely comparing Glasnow to Randy Johnson. I've seen lots of people make this same comparison and I'm going to assume this connection is made because they're both tall.
I don't think there's any reason to believe that because one tall person became a great ML pitcher, that a different tall person trying to be a successful pitcher will also do so.
2. Not comparing him to Randy Johnson, but Johnson had a lot of the same control issues early in his career, 512 BB's in his first 790 IP, then figured it out, including a season where he only had 44 BB's in 245 IP. Again, I'm not saying he is the next Randy Johnson, but I'm saying that there may be hope he can figure it out at the ML level.
You say you're not comparing Glasnow to Randy Johnson but then say:
"If Randy Johnson can figure it out then maybe Glasnow can too."
You are absolutely comparing Glasnow to Randy Johnson. I've seen lots of people make this same comparison and I'm going to assume this connection is made because they're both tall.
I don't think there's any reason to believe that because one tall person became a great ML pitcher, that a different tall person trying to be a successful pitcher will also do so.
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johnfluharty
9/13 vs Brewers
He is no more certain than you are, thus his use of the word 'maybe'.
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steve49
9/13 vs Brewers
715C51404756410102330 wrote: Three of those walks shouldn't have happened in my opinion. Yeah, Glasnow couldn't get out of the jam, but the strike zone was awful. The box on AT&T showed that assuming it is accurate.
Cy Young's going to give up five runs in 2 2/3 if he can't get correct call of pitches he makes.
True, but Cy Young probably didn't go to 3-2 on every hitter either.
I didn't see much of the game. I did see the ball 4 call on the pitch that cut the heart of the plate.
Anyway , you keep saying he had way too many 3-2 counts in response to others saying he had many pitches in the strike zone that were called balls. I know your a smart guy but you seem to be missing their point ? If a few more strikes were called .. maybe he wouldn't have been to 3-2 that much ? For the record , what I saw in seeing maybe a 3rd of Glasnow's pitches , he needs to have better FB control but he did get screwed.
Cy Young's going to give up five runs in 2 2/3 if he can't get correct call of pitches he makes.
True, but Cy Young probably didn't go to 3-2 on every hitter either.
I didn't see much of the game. I did see the ball 4 call on the pitch that cut the heart of the plate.
Anyway , you keep saying he had way too many 3-2 counts in response to others saying he had many pitches in the strike zone that were called balls. I know your a smart guy but you seem to be missing their point ? If a few more strikes were called .. maybe he wouldn't have been to 3-2 that much ? For the record , what I saw in seeing maybe a 3rd of Glasnow's pitches , he needs to have better FB control but he did get screwed.