Future payroll
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johnfluharty
Future payroll
Pirates season ending payroll in 2015 was $95M, which was 24th out of the 30 teams. My question is willing to the high again? Will it go a little higher? And if it does will that be enough?
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2drfischer@gmail.c
Future payroll
797C7B7D757F667B7261676A130 wrote: Pirates season ending payroll in 2015 was $95M, which was 24th out of the 30 teams. My question is willing to the high again? Will it go a little higher? And if it does will that be enough?
I’m already expecting the 2022 payroll to be about what it was this year. BC might bring in a free agent pitcher or two but neither of them will be first or second tier guys who will raise the payroll up very high. I’m thinking the 2023 payroll will still be in the vicinity of this year’s because of all the soon-to-be-promoted minor league guys who will make up a good potion of the roster by then.
I’m already expecting the 2022 payroll to be about what it was this year. BC might bring in a free agent pitcher or two but neither of them will be first or second tier guys who will raise the payroll up very high. I’m thinking the 2023 payroll will still be in the vicinity of this year’s because of all the soon-to-be-promoted minor league guys who will make up a good potion of the roster by then.
Future payroll
It's pretty difficult to make a reasonable prediction. Everything else the same, I agree that the payroll will approximate this year's. This assumes there is a season next year, that any resolution of the MLBPA and owners does not include a minimum salary, etc. A lot of variables.
Future payroll
The highest paid players left on the team are Moran, Kuhl, Brault, and Stallings. If Cherington can salary dump these 4 guys and replace them with LMG's, he could save BOB another $5 million.
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Bobster21
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2E353839303C335D0 wrote: The highest paid players left on the team are Moran, Kuhl, Brault, and Stallings. If Cherington can salary dump these 4 guys and replace them with LMG's, he could save BOB another $5 million.
Here's how MLB works since you obviously don't know. Salaries increase every year. The players have no leverage the first 3 years. After that, they can go to arbitration if they can't agree to a contract. Either way, they get a big salary bump. After 6 years they can leave as free agents.
Therefore, the highest salaried players are the ones who have been around the longest and are the closest to leaving via free agency.
Hence, the players most likely to be traded are the ones least likely to remain with the team by their own choice when they could leave via free agency.
Ergo, those most likely to be traded are dealt on the basis of their limited time remaining with the team based on their service years which results in them having the highest salaries on the team.
It's baseball 101.
Too bad you never figured that out.
Here's how MLB works since you obviously don't know. Salaries increase every year. The players have no leverage the first 3 years. After that, they can go to arbitration if they can't agree to a contract. Either way, they get a big salary bump. After 6 years they can leave as free agents.
Therefore, the highest salaried players are the ones who have been around the longest and are the closest to leaving via free agency.
Hence, the players most likely to be traded are the ones least likely to remain with the team by their own choice when they could leave via free agency.
Ergo, those most likely to be traded are dealt on the basis of their limited time remaining with the team based on their service years which results in them having the highest salaries on the team.
It's baseball 101.
Too bad you never figured that out.
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2drfischer@gmail.c
Future payroll
534845444D414E200 wrote: The highest paid players left on the team are Moran, Kuhl, Brault, and Stallings. If Cherington can salary dump these 4 guys and replace them with LMG's, he could save BOB another $5 million.
Of those players, I can see Moran being dealt either in the offseason or before the Deadline, not because of his salary, but because BC likely thinks he can find someone better. He just hasn’t produced enough.
Of those players, I can see Moran being dealt either in the offseason or before the Deadline, not because of his salary, but because BC likely thinks he can find someone better. He just hasn’t produced enough.
Future payroll
346274606F75656E637446616B676F6A2865060 wrote: Pirates season ending payroll in 2015 was $95M, which was 24th out of the 30 teams. My question is willing to the high again? Will it go a little higher? And if it does will that be enough?
I’m already expecting the 2022 payroll to be about what it was this year. BC might bring in a free agent pitcher or two but neither of them will be first or second tier guys who will raise the payroll up very high. I’m thinking the 2023 payroll will still be in the vicinity of this year’s because of all the soon-to-be-promoted minor league guys who will make up a good potion of the roster by then.
Sadly, Morton signing for 20 million is your standard bearer for the kind of pitcher or two the Bucs need to improve their ability to compete. The Pirates only have one pitcher at AAA on their top prospect list, and he's coming back from injury, Yajure.
I’m already expecting the 2022 payroll to be about what it was this year. BC might bring in a free agent pitcher or two but neither of them will be first or second tier guys who will raise the payroll up very high. I’m thinking the 2023 payroll will still be in the vicinity of this year’s because of all the soon-to-be-promoted minor league guys who will make up a good potion of the roster by then.
Sadly, Morton signing for 20 million is your standard bearer for the kind of pitcher or two the Bucs need to improve their ability to compete. The Pirates only have one pitcher at AAA on their top prospect list, and he's coming back from injury, Yajure.
Future payroll
782E382C233929222F380A2D272B232664294A0 wrote: The highest paid players left on the team are Moran, Kuhl, Brault, and Stallings. If Cherington can salary dump these 4 guys and replace them with LMG's, he could save BOB another $5 million.
Of those players, I can see Moran being dealt either in the offseason or before the Deadline, not because of his salary, but because BC likely thinks he can find someone better. He just hasn’t produced enough.
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Yeah, I know. Moran isn't that good. For that matter, neither is Kuhl, Brault, and Stallings. So, lets salary dump all of them and replace them with LMG's. Polanco redux. Get rid of Polanco and call up Tucker.
Of those players, I can see Moran being dealt either in the offseason or before the Deadline, not because of his salary, but because BC likely thinks he can find someone better. He just hasn’t produced enough.
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Yeah, I know. Moran isn't that good. For that matter, neither is Kuhl, Brault, and Stallings. So, lets salary dump all of them and replace them with LMG's. Polanco redux. Get rid of Polanco and call up Tucker.
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2drfischer@gmail.c
Future payroll
48535E5F565A553B0 wrote: The highest paid players left on the team are Moran, Kuhl, Brault, and Stallings. If Cherington can salary dump these 4 guys and replace them with LMG's, he could save BOB another $5 million.
Of those players, I can see Moran being dealt either in the offseason or before the Deadline, not because of his salary, but because BC likely thinks he can find someone better. He just hasn’t produced enough.
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Yeah, I know. Moran isn't that good. For that matter, neither is Kuhl, Brault, and Stallings. So, lets salary dump all of them and replace them with LMG's. Polanco redux. Get rid of Polanco and call up Tucker.
So you’d rather have a bad player only because he’s paid more, which has nothing to do with his current ability?
Of those players, I can see Moran being dealt either in the offseason or before the Deadline, not because of his salary, but because BC likely thinks he can find someone better. He just hasn’t produced enough.
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Yeah, I know. Moran isn't that good. For that matter, neither is Kuhl, Brault, and Stallings. So, lets salary dump all of them and replace them with LMG's. Polanco redux. Get rid of Polanco and call up Tucker.
So you’d rather have a bad player only because he’s paid more, which has nothing to do with his current ability?
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2drfischer@gmail.c
Future payroll
092F283D34382F39315A0 wrote: Pirates season ending payroll in 2015 was $95M, which was 24th out of the 30 teams. My question is willing to the high again? Will it go a little higher? And if it does will that be enough?
I’m already expecting the 2022 payroll to be about what it was this year. BC might bring in a free agent pitcher or two but neither of them will be first or second tier guys who will raise the payroll up very high. I’m thinking the 2023 payroll will still be in the vicinity of this year’s because of all the soon-to-be-promoted minor league guys who will make up a good potion of the roster by then.
Sadly, Morton signing for 20 million is your standard bearer for the kind of pitcher or two the Bucs need to improve their ability to compete. The Pirates only have one pitcher at AAA on their top prospect list, and he's coming back from injury, Yajure.
Does anyone believe that Bob Nutting will ever agree to pay a pitcher $20 million? So guys like Charlie Morton are out of the question. It’ll be more like guys such as Tyler Anderson. Again.
I’m already expecting the 2022 payroll to be about what it was this year. BC might bring in a free agent pitcher or two but neither of them will be first or second tier guys who will raise the payroll up very high. I’m thinking the 2023 payroll will still be in the vicinity of this year’s because of all the soon-to-be-promoted minor league guys who will make up a good potion of the roster by then.
Sadly, Morton signing for 20 million is your standard bearer for the kind of pitcher or two the Bucs need to improve their ability to compete. The Pirates only have one pitcher at AAA on their top prospect list, and he's coming back from injury, Yajure.
Does anyone believe that Bob Nutting will ever agree to pay a pitcher $20 million? So guys like Charlie Morton are out of the question. It’ll be more like guys such as Tyler Anderson. Again.