Official 2022 Pirates Owner/Front Office Bitching Thread
Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2022 7:30 pm
332B292E2E39282F323325400 wrote: It turned into a disaster a few seasons ago.
Face it, we had some good seasons, but we had 20 disastrous years before that. So, it's a lot less common when things are good.
They have folks sold on what they're doing.
I don't know what next year calls for. I always look for improvement and hope that the folks in charge make the legitimate steps for it.
If they do, I think it's a pretty small group. I think in general, fans are very frustrated and want the team to become good but are skeptical. Most of us are lifelong fans of the team and have to deal with the reality of how things are. Nutting is not going to open the checkbook and bring in a bunch of productive veterans. Anyone who is sold on the idea of that ever happening is dreaming. The organization was going downhill under NH after 2015 and he was replaced. BC started with little in the minors during a season in which the minors didn't even play so the reality is that even a successful plan will take a few years. So all we can do is hope BC's plan works. That's very different from "being sold" on the idea that it is definitely going to work.
At this point I'm becoming more and more skeptical. Obviously I want the rebuild to succeed because that's the course they are embarked on. But none of the players who moved up to the MLB roster this season have impressed. Most are lost at the plate. Castro seems to be a headcase. There is no consistency by the starting pitchers. The totality of the manager's decisions provides compelling evidence that he is grossly incompetent to run an MLB team. His 3B coach appears unfit for his job. It's hard to believe they even have a hitting coach. Few pitchers have progressed as hoped. And players in the field appear unsure of what they should be doing. And there is very little at AAA this year. And now we've been assured that Shelton will return next year. As if things weren't already bad enough.
But I think Pirate fans these days pay a lot of attention to the minor league players. We don't accept at face value that the team will be rebuilt into a strong team in a few years. If that's the spin the team is selling, then we want to see the evidence. We look at prospect rankings, their minor league performance and their injuries. We have every right to be critical and skeptical until things change at the MLB level, if they ever do. So I don't think they have fans sold on what they are doing. Rather, they have fans who understand what they are doing and are watching very carefully for signs of success or failure. So far, it's not looking good.
I am convinced after watching incompetence ad nauseum the Pittsburg area is content with losing baseball. The era of excellence has been replaced by complacency. If you don't understand how bad that is, look it up the dictionary. Why else would a community put up with the sorry management of this baseball team.
Can you advise us on the ways the community can address this issue? Can you provide a list of the ways all of us, working together, can change Bob Nutting into an owner who places winning as the chief priority?
The first thing you should do is not show up to games. Businesses would start to recognize loss of business. The chamber of commerce might recognize how much the community could prosper if the Pirates were competitive. The answer is always the same, follow the money. The Community needs to let Old Bob know he's not welcome in Pittsburg. The Sports media could also put pressure on old Bob. Just do something except puff pieces about what a great job Shelton and Cherington are doing and we'll get them next year. Quit accepting the clown show we now have to watch.
Coordinating an effort to get the million-plus baseball fans in this region to stop going to games is an impossible task. There will always be more than a few thousand fans who'll buy season tickets or attend games. The planned walkout a few years back indicated that it's not a popular move.
The Chamber of Commerce doesn't hold much sway in these matters. They can't force an owner of a firm like the Pirates to simply do what they want him to do. It's his business, and his profits to be made or lost.
I don't recall reading puff pieces about Cherington. The plan he's undertaking is one that people in the media recognize as one that takes time. BC started with nothing and is only in his third year. Until his draft picks begin arriving and demonstrating their abilities, there's little sense in expecting a playoff contending team, especially with the constraints placed upon him payroll-wise. Pretty much every other rebuild done in every other organization has gone the same way. Why would it be different here? Of course he's made mistakes, as all GMs do. Those have been reported.
I believe the best recourse the community has is government pressure on Nutting. Against the wishes of many in this area, PNC Park was built because the Pirates claimed it was needed, especially the luxury box revenues, in order to compete. With the exception of a three year span, we haven't seen it. The Pirates haven't upheld their end of the deal. But, in the end, it's still his privately-owned business. I'm not sure what the local and state governments can legally do to force him to run a competitive baseball franchise. I don't even think embarrassing him could make him change his ways.
This team is worse than when Cherington took it over, it's obvious. A boycott of this creep (Nutting) is definitely in order. If the community can't get that done then it goes back to what I said previously, the community is accepting losing baseball. I'm seeing this malaise all over the country. Roberto Clemente, Willie Stargell would be rolling over and over in their graves if they saw what was going on with the Pirates. Such a shame. [highlight]I for one can't watch it anymore.[/highlight]
For someone who can't watch them, who recommends that the team be boycotted, and who doesn't seem to care even a little bit about them anymore, you sure spend a lot of time complaining about them.
Face it, we had some good seasons, but we had 20 disastrous years before that. So, it's a lot less common when things are good.
They have folks sold on what they're doing.
I don't know what next year calls for. I always look for improvement and hope that the folks in charge make the legitimate steps for it.
If they do, I think it's a pretty small group. I think in general, fans are very frustrated and want the team to become good but are skeptical. Most of us are lifelong fans of the team and have to deal with the reality of how things are. Nutting is not going to open the checkbook and bring in a bunch of productive veterans. Anyone who is sold on the idea of that ever happening is dreaming. The organization was going downhill under NH after 2015 and he was replaced. BC started with little in the minors during a season in which the minors didn't even play so the reality is that even a successful plan will take a few years. So all we can do is hope BC's plan works. That's very different from "being sold" on the idea that it is definitely going to work.
At this point I'm becoming more and more skeptical. Obviously I want the rebuild to succeed because that's the course they are embarked on. But none of the players who moved up to the MLB roster this season have impressed. Most are lost at the plate. Castro seems to be a headcase. There is no consistency by the starting pitchers. The totality of the manager's decisions provides compelling evidence that he is grossly incompetent to run an MLB team. His 3B coach appears unfit for his job. It's hard to believe they even have a hitting coach. Few pitchers have progressed as hoped. And players in the field appear unsure of what they should be doing. And there is very little at AAA this year. And now we've been assured that Shelton will return next year. As if things weren't already bad enough.
But I think Pirate fans these days pay a lot of attention to the minor league players. We don't accept at face value that the team will be rebuilt into a strong team in a few years. If that's the spin the team is selling, then we want to see the evidence. We look at prospect rankings, their minor league performance and their injuries. We have every right to be critical and skeptical until things change at the MLB level, if they ever do. So I don't think they have fans sold on what they are doing. Rather, they have fans who understand what they are doing and are watching very carefully for signs of success or failure. So far, it's not looking good.
I am convinced after watching incompetence ad nauseum the Pittsburg area is content with losing baseball. The era of excellence has been replaced by complacency. If you don't understand how bad that is, look it up the dictionary. Why else would a community put up with the sorry management of this baseball team.
Can you advise us on the ways the community can address this issue? Can you provide a list of the ways all of us, working together, can change Bob Nutting into an owner who places winning as the chief priority?
The first thing you should do is not show up to games. Businesses would start to recognize loss of business. The chamber of commerce might recognize how much the community could prosper if the Pirates were competitive. The answer is always the same, follow the money. The Community needs to let Old Bob know he's not welcome in Pittsburg. The Sports media could also put pressure on old Bob. Just do something except puff pieces about what a great job Shelton and Cherington are doing and we'll get them next year. Quit accepting the clown show we now have to watch.
Coordinating an effort to get the million-plus baseball fans in this region to stop going to games is an impossible task. There will always be more than a few thousand fans who'll buy season tickets or attend games. The planned walkout a few years back indicated that it's not a popular move.
The Chamber of Commerce doesn't hold much sway in these matters. They can't force an owner of a firm like the Pirates to simply do what they want him to do. It's his business, and his profits to be made or lost.
I don't recall reading puff pieces about Cherington. The plan he's undertaking is one that people in the media recognize as one that takes time. BC started with nothing and is only in his third year. Until his draft picks begin arriving and demonstrating their abilities, there's little sense in expecting a playoff contending team, especially with the constraints placed upon him payroll-wise. Pretty much every other rebuild done in every other organization has gone the same way. Why would it be different here? Of course he's made mistakes, as all GMs do. Those have been reported.
I believe the best recourse the community has is government pressure on Nutting. Against the wishes of many in this area, PNC Park was built because the Pirates claimed it was needed, especially the luxury box revenues, in order to compete. With the exception of a three year span, we haven't seen it. The Pirates haven't upheld their end of the deal. But, in the end, it's still his privately-owned business. I'm not sure what the local and state governments can legally do to force him to run a competitive baseball franchise. I don't even think embarrassing him could make him change his ways.
This team is worse than when Cherington took it over, it's obvious. A boycott of this creep (Nutting) is definitely in order. If the community can't get that done then it goes back to what I said previously, the community is accepting losing baseball. I'm seeing this malaise all over the country. Roberto Clemente, Willie Stargell would be rolling over and over in their graves if they saw what was going on with the Pirates. Such a shame. [highlight]I for one can't watch it anymore.[/highlight]
For someone who can't watch them, who recommends that the team be boycotted, and who doesn't seem to care even a little bit about them anymore, you sure spend a lot of time complaining about them.