DH To National League
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 12:34 am
1C1417203613343B550 wrote: What happened when some fans tried to organize a "Walk Out"?
BOB wasn't booed. The people who walked out were.
So, in some respects, I think we get what we get.
For every complaint about a lackluster roster, I hear or read three people say that they'd rather see "kids" play.
So, I don't know what to think about the sad state of affairs anymore.
I remember when this happened. When people are more worried about being entertained than winning, this is sort of the result.
Whether it's "Buccaroos ask the Bucs," the Pierogi race, Cervelli's love advice, "What's in the Treasure Chest," or whatever other gimmick they have going on that day...whether it's fireworks, free shirt Fridays, or bobbleheads, whatever it is...people seem to be more interested in these things than the actual product on the field.
This is one reason why I loathe the NL DH. It just seems to me to cater to that mentality...people are only here to be entertained. Yes, but for me, baseball is much more than that. If it were just about entertainment, we'd just play home run derby every night.
For me, winning is fun. I was an MLB.tv subscriber, and I looked forward to watching the Pirates each night after work in 2013-2015. That was enjoyable. I haven't renewed the last two years. I have far better things to do with my time and money than watch the Bucs get their @$$e$ handed to them every night.
Yes, I'm excited about the future of the team. But I fear this new CBA won't do anything to help. We'll likely get faster free agency, "no service time manipulation" which in Pirate-land means guys will be traded in year four rather than year 5. We won't see a salary cap, anything having to do with equitable revenue sharing, or ending of the blackouts (not sure if that's even covered under the CBA or not). In short, the fans will be screwed, particularly fans in Milwaukee, Tampa, Cincinnati, Cleveland, and Pittsburgh.
Remind me again why I should care about this team or league? I really can't think of a compelling reason right now.
I don't think it's an issue of fans preferring entertainment at the ballpark to winning. But the Pirates don't offer a winning atmosphere at the park. They don't win frequently enough to make fans even expect it when they attend a game. But when they were winning in 2013, there was a level of excitement that fans at PNC rarely get to show. Remember the "Cueto" game. and when they won 98 games in 2015 they set a franchise attendance record. The fans want to win but Nutting & Co would rather save money and entertain them with gimmicks. That's what the fans are accustomed to, but they would prefer a competitive team.
Similarly, there was a previous comment from GW that "For every complaint about a lackluster roster, I hear or read three people say that they'd rather see "kids" play." But I don't believe it's a matter of the fans preferring to watch young guys play than to watch a talented, winning roster. But I think if the choices are a losing team comprised of dumpster dives and a losing team comprised of "kids," the kids at least offer hope for a better future if they take advantage of the opportunity and develop up to their potential. In terms of competitive baseball, the Pirates offer their fans a very limited product. I think the fans just make the most of what's available to them.
BOB wasn't booed. The people who walked out were.
So, in some respects, I think we get what we get.
For every complaint about a lackluster roster, I hear or read three people say that they'd rather see "kids" play.
So, I don't know what to think about the sad state of affairs anymore.
I remember when this happened. When people are more worried about being entertained than winning, this is sort of the result.
Whether it's "Buccaroos ask the Bucs," the Pierogi race, Cervelli's love advice, "What's in the Treasure Chest," or whatever other gimmick they have going on that day...whether it's fireworks, free shirt Fridays, or bobbleheads, whatever it is...people seem to be more interested in these things than the actual product on the field.
This is one reason why I loathe the NL DH. It just seems to me to cater to that mentality...people are only here to be entertained. Yes, but for me, baseball is much more than that. If it were just about entertainment, we'd just play home run derby every night.
For me, winning is fun. I was an MLB.tv subscriber, and I looked forward to watching the Pirates each night after work in 2013-2015. That was enjoyable. I haven't renewed the last two years. I have far better things to do with my time and money than watch the Bucs get their @$$e$ handed to them every night.
Yes, I'm excited about the future of the team. But I fear this new CBA won't do anything to help. We'll likely get faster free agency, "no service time manipulation" which in Pirate-land means guys will be traded in year four rather than year 5. We won't see a salary cap, anything having to do with equitable revenue sharing, or ending of the blackouts (not sure if that's even covered under the CBA or not). In short, the fans will be screwed, particularly fans in Milwaukee, Tampa, Cincinnati, Cleveland, and Pittsburgh.
Remind me again why I should care about this team or league? I really can't think of a compelling reason right now.
I don't think it's an issue of fans preferring entertainment at the ballpark to winning. But the Pirates don't offer a winning atmosphere at the park. They don't win frequently enough to make fans even expect it when they attend a game. But when they were winning in 2013, there was a level of excitement that fans at PNC rarely get to show. Remember the "Cueto" game. and when they won 98 games in 2015 they set a franchise attendance record. The fans want to win but Nutting & Co would rather save money and entertain them with gimmicks. That's what the fans are accustomed to, but they would prefer a competitive team.
Similarly, there was a previous comment from GW that "For every complaint about a lackluster roster, I hear or read three people say that they'd rather see "kids" play." But I don't believe it's a matter of the fans preferring to watch young guys play than to watch a talented, winning roster. But I think if the choices are a losing team comprised of dumpster dives and a losing team comprised of "kids," the kids at least offer hope for a better future if they take advantage of the opportunity and develop up to their potential. In terms of competitive baseball, the Pirates offer their fans a very limited product. I think the fans just make the most of what's available to them.