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In keeping with the positivity, Watson has been pretty good when you consider the spotty fielding he has had this year. Last night, he was consistently ahead in the count and gave up mostly weak contact.

747C7F687E7E721D0 wrote: In keeping with the positivity, Watson has been pretty good when you consider the spotty fielding he has had this year.  Last night, he was consistently ahead in the count and gave up mostly weak contact. 


Watson hasn't had a one-two-three inning yet. He hasn't hit 93 mph either. No way he is pitching well. I think his arm is shot from being over worked the last few years.

As I said, I am trying to keep it positive but Tony has also only given up 1 er in 9+ innings. I do not like his walks but a number of the hits were weak, the fielding has bungled a few dp opportunities and the one run was on a win aided homer to the 2016 MVP. I think it is very positive that he has responded to the miscues and still secured the wins.

0E33342E33345A0 wrote: After Glasnow's disastrous first start (4 hits, 5 walks, 5 runs in 1.2 innings) we were encouraged that his next start was a big improvement. But for anyone else, that game would have been considered bad (5 innings, 6 hits, 2 walks, 6 runs (4ER)). His third start was better (4.2 innings, 3 runs (1 ER), 7 hits, 2 walks, 102 pitches). But then last night it was 89 pitches (only 46 strikes) in just 3.1 innings, 6 hits, 4 walks, 3 runs. He faced 20 batters and 11 of them reached base.



Luckily the Bucs have won 3 of his 4 starts by scores of 8-7, 6-3 and 6-5. But this weak hitting team is not going to keep scoring enough to overcome Glasnow's ineffectiveness. I just don't think the Glasnow experiment is working. Clearly he is not ready to pitch at the MLB level. Throwing him to the wolves and letting him try to figure it out is only resulting in one bad start after another. Even his "good' starts would be considered bad if they weren't being compared to his atrocious first outing. It puts a burden on the bullpen for each of his starts (5 relievers were required last night), which then trickles over into subsequent games. I would give him 1 more start and if it is no better than "less bad" I would send him down. Williams, LeBlanc or Brault have to be better than this. I suspect at this point Glasnow is even going to struggle in AAA. Until and unless he can look like a AAA pitcher who again deserves a shot in MLB he should remain in AAA. 
 



He's got good stuff.  I see no point in sending him down.  Let him work it out.  The umps have squeezed him, the defense has been terrible behind him, and his started against 2 of the best offenses in baseball in three of his starts. 



He's going the right way and I say keep sending him out.




This is exactly how I feel. I don't like to pile on umps, but he hasn't gotten a fair shake there. The bigger problem is the defense. There have been a couple hits that should have been ruled errors. He is struggling with pitch count and the defense isn't doing him any favors.

6A7753515F3A0 wrote: After Glasnow's disastrous first start (4 hits, 5 walks, 5 runs in 1.2 innings) we were encouraged that his next start was a big improvement. But for anyone else, that game would have been considered bad (5 innings, 6 hits, 2 walks, 6 runs (4ER)). His third start was better (4.2 innings, 3 runs (1 ER), 7 hits, 2 walks, 102 pitches). But then last night it was 89 pitches (only 46 strikes) in just 3.1 innings, 6 hits, 4 walks, 3 runs. He faced 20 batters and 11 of them reached base.



Luckily the Bucs have won 3 of his 4 starts by scores of 8-7, 6-3 and 6-5. But this weak hitting team is not going to keep scoring enough to overcome Glasnow's ineffectiveness. I just don't think the Glasnow experiment is working. Clearly he is not ready to pitch at the MLB level. Throwing him to the wolves and letting him try to figure it out is only resulting in one bad start after another. Even his "good' starts would be considered bad if they weren't being compared to his atrocious first outing. It puts a burden on the bullpen for each of his starts (5 relievers were required last night), which then trickles over into subsequent games. I would give him 1 more start and if it is no better than "less bad" I would send him down. Williams, LeBlanc or Brault have to be better than this. I suspect at this point Glasnow is even going to struggle in AAA. Until and unless he can look like a AAA pitcher who again deserves a shot in MLB he should remain in AAA. 
 



He's got good stuff.  I see no point in sending him down.  Let him work it out.  The umps have squeezed him, the defense has been terrible behind him, and his started against 2 of the best offenses in baseball in three of his starts. 



He's going the right way and I say keep sending him out.




This is exactly how I feel.  I don't like to pile on umps, but he hasn't gotten a fair shake there.  The bigger problem is the defense.  There have been a couple hits that should have been ruled errors.  He is struggling with pitch count and the defense isn't doing him any favors.


I think he deserves a couple more starts too. The Bucs defense has been bad behind every pitcher.



Supposedly a pitcher like Glasnow that has poor control makes defense worse because they lean back on their heels. If he can improve his control it should help him quite a bit. From reports of the past couple of games he hasn't looked lost out there and I could see him putting everything together soon (expect him to be inconsistent all year but he should have some good games and very good games mixed in).

143233243222510 wrote: After Glasnow's disastrous first start (4 hits, 5 walks, 5 runs in 1.2 innings) we were encouraged that his next start was a big improvement. But for anyone else, that game would have been considered bad (5 innings, 6 hits, 2 walks, 6 runs (4ER)). His third start was better (4.2 innings, 3 runs (1 ER), 7 hits, 2 walks, 102 pitches). But then last night it was 89 pitches (only 46 strikes) in just 3.1 innings, 6 hits, 4 walks, 3 runs. He faced 20 batters and 11 of them reached base.



Luckily the Bucs have won 3 of his 4 starts by scores of 8-7, 6-3 and 6-5. But this weak hitting team is not going to keep scoring enough to overcome Glasnow's ineffectiveness. I just don't think the Glasnow experiment is working. Clearly he is not ready to pitch at the MLB level. Throwing him to the wolves and letting him try to figure it out is only resulting in one bad start after another. Even his "good' starts would be considered bad if they weren't being compared to his atrocious first outing. It puts a burden on the bullpen for each of his starts (5 relievers were required last night), which then trickles over into subsequent games. I would give him 1 more start and if it is no better than "less bad" I would send him down. Williams, LeBlanc or Brault have to be better than this. I suspect at this point Glasnow is even going to struggle in AAA. Until and unless he can look like a AAA pitcher who again deserves a shot in MLB he should remain in AAA. 
 



He's got good stuff.  I see no point in sending him down.  Let him work it out.  The umps have squeezed him, the defense has been terrible behind him, and his started against 2 of the best offenses in baseball in three of his starts. 



He's going the right way and I say keep sending him out.




This is exactly how I feel.  I don't like to pile on umps, but he hasn't gotten a fair shake there.  The bigger problem is the defense.  There have been a couple hits that should have been ruled errors.  He is struggling with pitch count and the defense isn't doing him any favors.


I think he deserves a couple more starts too.  The Bucs defense has been bad behind every pitcher.



Supposedly a pitcher like Glasnow that has poor control makes defense worse because they lean back on their heels.  If he can improve his control it should help him quite a bit.  From reports of the past couple of games he hasn't looked lost out there and I could see him putting everything together soon (expect him to be inconsistent all year but he should have some good games and very good games mixed in).




Right. And again, this has been his MO at every level. Initial struggle, then he dominates.

There's so much wrong with Glasnow who knows where to begin. Just a bunch of hope and prayer around here.



Hes nowhere close to a ML starter, let alone a Frontline starter. There's nobody I've ever seen as outright bad as he is all of the sudden become good.



Some of the examples thrown around are just not accurate either. Glasnow is like a little leaguer walking runs in and getting squared up when he is coming over the plate.



NEXT! Who is our next great prospect we can drool over for 5 years and pretend he will be the next great thing?

5E575F4E403A0 wrote:



NEXT!  Who is our next great prospect we can drool over for 5 years and pretend he will be the next great thing?


Taillon?

2D242C3D33490 wrote: There's so much wrong with Glasnow who knows where to begin. Just a bunch of hope and prayer around here. 



Hes nowhere close to a ML starter, let alone a Frontline starter.  There's nobody I've ever seen as outright bad as he is all of the sudden become good.   



Some of the examples thrown around are just not accurate either.   Glasnow is like a little leaguer walking runs in and getting squared up when he is coming over the plate.



NEXT!  Who is our next great prospect we can drool over for 5 years and pretend he will be the next great thing?


You don't think he is getting better? I see the improvement compared to last year and of course his first start this year. He is wild. He throws a lot of pitches. But he has also had some dominant innings.



I don't know his future and what he will become. But he has the tools for sure. I didn't think he was ready for the Pirates either. I still don't think he is as I prefer he to be in the minors. But he isn't hurting the Pirates. They won more of his starts than any other pitcher (3-1).



He is 22 years old. It is hard to say what kind of pitcher he will become at this age. It isn't the fans drooling over him, its the scouts, execs. The fans are reading/hearing what the scouts and executives are saying.

Considering his performances last season, he's worse   So no, I'm not seeing much improvement, if any at all.  He was supposed to be BETTER this year.  A year more work with Mythical Ray Searage, a year older, more mature, more focused. 



His tools aren't any better than a bunch of other guys out there. Doesn't mean much to me.   His stuff is getting squared up and turned around on him when he does come over the plate with it. 



That's my opinion.  I realize we are going to keep running him out there and everyone in the org and associated with it will bend over backwards to excuse the CRAZY poor pitching he does.   



The fact that he was getting beat around in Spring Training and it has continued throughout April makes me believe that if he were sent down, he would be putting up poor numbers at Indy now too. 



He's getting worse. I'm just not going to lower my bar for this team and it's players like its the 90's all over again.      



BTW he's 23 years old.