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496F6E796F7F0C0 wrote: Eh.  Am I the only one that doesn't really like it?  Start him in AAA for now and keep Webb.
No, you're not the only one. Reading the articles, NH confirms my fears. That is, Glasnow is not quite ready but can learn at the MLB level. So when in September we are lamenting those April losses, we will look back at Glasnow starting games unable to hold runners, with poor control and still trying to learn a change-up.   


this is a concern, the question is whether the Bucs have anyone else who is a lot better than Glasnow at this stage.  I thought there was a possibility of at least giving him one or two starts in AAA to show he is ready.  The Bucs must think he has a better chance than Williams in April to be a decent starter.


Honestly, I think it shows desperation by the Pirates FO. This spring has confirmed that the Pirates are truly in need of another quality starter. Hutchison flamed out so badly Neil can not even pretend he is an option. Gladnow is the one guy the Pirates can hope for lighting in a bottle - although I sure don't see it in Glasnow, professional scouts apparently do.

My thought is that the Pirates think he has learned what he can in AAA and that now he needs to work with Searage. The fifth starter role is one they can control a bit, and it gives him a chance to see what it takes at that level.

3B39232533560 wrote: My thought is that the Pirates think he has learned what he can in AAA and that now he needs to work with Searage. The fifth starter role is one they can control a bit, and it gives him a chance to see what it takes at that level.
I think the decision to keep both Williams and Leblanc in the pen instead of holding onto Webb is in preparation for some short outings by Glasnow.

Personally, I like the decision. I wanted Brault, but when he was optioned, my preference turned to Glasnow. He certainly offers the highest upside. And if he lives up to his potential, the Pirates potentially have three aces in their rotation. If all goes according to plan, and I know...it never does..., we could be next year's Mets, everyone's trendy WS pick on the strength of our rotation. I think Glasnow will struggle, but the stuff is there. There's no denying that.

686063544267404F210 wrote: Personally, I like the decision.  I wanted Brault, but when he was optioned, my preference turned to Glasnow.  He certainly offers the highest upside.  And if he lives up to his potential, the Pirates potentially have three aces in their rotation.  If all goes according to plan, and I know...it never does..., we could be next year's Mets, everyone's trendy WS pick on the strength of our rotation.  I think Glasnow will struggle, but the stuff is there.  There's no denying that.
I really wish I could share your enthusiasm for this move, but I don't think he is anywhere near ready and ace material is way of in the distance if ever. I hope I'm wrong but this could be a disaster for him and the Pirates. It just seems he has plenty to work on and could do it in AAA. Or in the White Sox organization. ;D

6A6B7061773730040 wrote: Personally, I like the decision.  I wanted Brault, but when he was optioned, my preference turned to Glasnow.  He certainly offers the highest upside.  And if he lives up to his potential, the Pirates potentially have three aces in their rotation.  If all goes according to plan, and I know...it never does..., we could be next year's Mets, everyone's trendy WS pick on the strength of our rotation.  I think Glasnow will struggle, but the stuff is there.  There's no denying that.
I really wish I could share your enthusiasm for this move, but I don't think he is anywhere near ready and ace material is way of in the distance if ever. I hope I'm wrong but this could be a disaster for him and the Pirates. It just seems he has plenty to work on and could do it in AAA. Or in the White Sox organization. ;D
Glasnow's potential clearly exceeds that of the other candidates for the #5 slot. He's supposed to develop into a star. We've been hearing that for several years and he's been dominant in the minors. Prior to last season he was expected to help the 2016 rotation at some point. But he failed when given the chance. This will be his 6th year in the organization and it was hoped he would step up in ST. Instead, his ST numbers show a 6.23 ERA and 25 hits in 17 innings. He was out-pitched by both the lesser regarded Williams and Brault but seems to have been given the slot based on having the greater potential. Maybe the FO is somewhat impatient waiting for him to develop into the star they thought he would be last year and wants to force feed him, ready or not. It's going to be interesting.

Funny how Glasnow won the spring training competition and many don't care even though he wasn't the best either. So I ask, why are people ok with him but hated the idea of Hutchsion?



How was this explained to Williams and Brault when they had better springs? Why are the fans liking this move in general? Did the front office just lie (again) saying Glasnow won the job? Or was it that the fans wanted this so it wasn't an actual lie?

69626A666362793C3A4D746C656262236E620D0 wrote: Funny how Glasnow won the spring training competition and many don't care even though he wasn't the best either.  So I ask, why are people ok with him but hated the idea of Hutchsion?



How was this explained to Williams and Brault when they had better springs?  Why are the fans liking this move in general?  Did the front office just lie (again) saying Glasnow won the job?  Or was it that the fans wanted this so it wasn't an actual lie?




This is easy to answer. Glasnow is boom or bust. I'm fine with putting up with the potential to bust because of the potential to boom. Hutchison was potential meh or bust. Glasnow is high risk, high reward. Hutchison is high risk, low reward. I'm not willing to risk that. If Hutchison were guaranteed to give you 4.00 and 150 innings, fine. But he's as likely to put up an ERA north of 6 than he is to put up a 4. Glasnow might also put up an ERA of 6, but he is probably as likely to put up a 2.50. Glasnow and Hutchison aren't at all comparable.

696162554366414E200 wrote: Funny how Glasnow won the spring training competition and many don't care even though he wasn't the best either.  So I ask, why are people ok with him but hated the idea of Hutchsion?



How was this explained to Williams and Brault when they had better springs?  Why are the fans liking this move in general?  Did the front office just lie (again) saying Glasnow won the job?  Or was it that the fans wanted this so it wasn't an actual lie?




This is easy to answer.  Glasnow is boom or bust.  I'm fine with putting up with the potential to bust because of the potential to boom.  Hutchison was potential meh or bust.  Glasnow is high risk, high reward.  Hutchison is high risk, low reward.  I'm not willing to risk that.  If Hutchison were guaranteed to give you 4.00 and 150 innings, fine.  But he's as likely to put up an ERA north of 6 than he is to put up a 4.  Glasnow might also put up an ERA of 6, but he is probably as likely to put up a 2.50.  Glasnow and Hutchison aren't at all comparable.
I agree. I doubt fans of any MLB team would be happy to see Hutchison added to their rotation after following up an unsuccessful stint in Toronto with an awful spring. But fans of most if not all teams would be happy to get a pitching prospect who everyone seems to agree can be special. But altho I'm glad Glasnow is a Pirate, I don't think he should be in the rotation at this time. He certainly didn't look ready in ST (and Williams and Brault were far better). And that ST can't be good for his confidence. I'd rather see him start the year in AAA, work on a few things and get recalled with a lot of confidence after dominating at that level. Instead, he's going to go from getting knocked around in ST to hoping he can be a better pitcher when the games count.

2B2320170124030C620 wrote: Funny how Glasnow won the spring training competition and many don't care even though he wasn't the best either.  So I ask, why are people ok with him but hated the idea of Hutchsion?



How was this explained to Williams and Brault when they had better springs?  Why are the fans liking this move in general?  Did the front office just lie (again) saying Glasnow won the job?  Or was it that the fans wanted this so it wasn't an actual lie?




This is easy to answer.  Glasnow is boom or bust.  I'm fine with putting up with the potential to bust because of the potential to boom.  Hutchison was potential meh or bust.  Glasnow is high risk, high reward.  Hutchison is high risk, low reward.  I'm not willing to risk that.  If Hutchison were guaranteed to give you 4.00 and 150 innings, fine.  But he's as likely to put up an ERA north of 6 than he is to put up a 4.  Glasnow might also put up an ERA of 6, but he is probably as likely to put up a 2.50.  Glasnow and Hutchison aren't at all comparable.


It was management's opinion that Glasnow was the best option even though he didn't have the best spring training or won the competition. If management had that same opinion about Hutchison, this board, radio shows, and fans in general would be going nuts.



It just shows that people don't like Hutchison because how he was acquired. People like Glasnow because of the hype even though he was bad in the majors last year and in spring training.