OnlyBucs

6374625543434F200 wrote:

We may not have the same GM.  We shouldn't.


Unless this team loses 95 plus games in back to back seasons, Neal isn't going anywhere.



If you're saying this team can be good next year with just a few simple moves that don't require big spending, why would Nutting fire NH?


I'm not just saying it.  I guarantee it.   Kang and Marte back. Add a 15 million starter and a 15 million OF.    Done.
$15M starter = Liriano. $15M OFer = Cutch. Done. Playoffs, here we come.   ::)




Cynical nonsense.   Don't add because you might add poorly.   Exactly the scardy-cat garbage I was talking about



What do you need? More money? A 20 million player then? What the **** does it take to wake some of you people up to actually supporting DOING SOMETHING instead of nothing?

2018 FA list per MLBTR



https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/08/ ... -list.html



Starting Pitchers



Brett Anderson (30)

Jake Arrieta (32)

Clay Buchholz (33)

Madison Bumgarner (28) — $12MM club option with a $1.5M buyout

Trevor Cahill (30)

Matt Cain (33) — $21MM club option with a $7.5MM buyout

Andrew Cashner (31)

Jhoulys Chacin (30)

Tyler Chatwood (28)

Jesse Chavez (34)

Wei-Yin Chen (32) — Can opt out of the remaining three years, $52MM on his contract

Alex Cobb (30)

Bartolo Colon (45)

Johnny Cueto (32) — Can opt out of the remaining four years, $84MM on his contract

Yu Darvish (31)

John Danks (33)

Jorge De La Rosa (37)

R.A. Dickey (43) — $8MM club option with $500K buyout

Nathan Eovaldi (28) — $TBD club option

Marco Estrada (34)

Scott Feldman (35)

Doug Fister (34)

Yovani Gallardo (32) — $13MM club option with a $2MM buyout

Jaime Garcia (31)

Matt Garza (34) — $13MM vesting option/$5MM club option (can become $1MM club option based on DL time)

Gio Gonzalez (32) – $12MM club option, vests with 180 innings pitched in 2017

Miguel Gonzalez (34)

Jeremy Hellickson (31)

Derek Holland (31)

Ubaldo Jimenez (34)

Ian Kennedy (33) — Can opt out of the remaining three years, $43MM on his contract

John Lackey (39)

Francisco Liriano (34)

Jordan Lyles (27)

Lance Lynn (31)

Wade Miley (31) — $12MM club option with a $500K buyout

Mike Minor (30) — $10MM mutual option with a $1.25MM buyout

Matt Moore (29) — $9MM club option with a $1MM buyout

Jon Niese (31)

Ricky Nolasco (35) — $13MM club option with a $1MM buyout

Martin Perez (27) — $6MM club option with a $2.45MM buyout

Michael Pineda (29)

Clayton Richard (34)

Tyson Ross (31)

CC Sabathia (37)

Anibal Sanchez (34) — $16MM club option with a $5MM buyout

Hector Santiago (30)

Chris Sale (29) — $12.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout

Masahiro Tanaka (29) — Can opt out of the remaining three years, $67MM on his contract

Chris Tillman (30)

Josh Tomlin (33) — $3MM club option with a $750K buyout

Jason Vargas (35)

Jered Weaver (35)

Chris Young (39) — $8MM mutual option with a $1.5MM buyout

2A232B3A344E0 wrote:

We may not have the same GM.  We shouldn't.


Unless this team loses 95 plus games in back to back seasons, Neal isn't going anywhere.



If you're saying this team can be good next year with just a few simple moves that don't require big spending, why would Nutting fire NH?


I'm not just saying it.  I guarantee it.   Kang and Marte back. Add a 15 million starter and a 15 million OF.    Done.
$15M starter = Liriano. $15M OFer = Cutch. Done. Playoffs, here we come.   ::)




Cynical nonsense.   Don't add because you might add poorly.   Exactly the scardy-cat garbage I was talking about



What do you need?  More money?  A 20 million player then?   What the **** does it take to wake some of you people up to actually supporting DOING SOMETHING instead of nothing?
It's not that fans don't want the Pirates to make the moves that you and everyone else knows could make a big difference. It's that after years of watching how this organization operates, most have a realistic (and depressing) expectation regarding moves they are actually likely or unlikely to make.

We have to understand that under Nutting, we have two basic rules:



1. The Pirates will be run as a profitable business

2. Winning will improve the bottom line so winning is desirable



Both rules always apply.  Nutting wants to win.  BUT, rule #2 will NEVER outrank rule #1.

6D686F69616B726F6675737E070 wrote: We have to understand that under Nutting, we have two basic rules:



1. The Pirates will be run as a profitable business

2. Winning will improve the bottom line so winning is desirable



Both rules always apply.  Nutting wants to win.  BUT, rule #2 will NEVER outrank rule #1.


Exactly! They want to win but only if it can be done on minimal spending (by MLB standards). Remember when a few years ago Coonelly said spending would increase when the time was right? It never happened. In fact, they reduced payroll when the 98-win team just fell short. They no longer mention increased spending. Now all they talk about is financial flexibility and how they need to move contracts to add contracts.

Keep McCutchen.



Sign/Trade for the next Burnett, Volquez, Liriano, Worley, Nova...like they always have done.

29222A262322397C7A0D342C252222632E224D0 wrote: Keep McCutchen.



Sign/Trade for the next Burnett, Volquez, Liriano, Worley, Nova...like they always have done.


At least that's doing something. I would prefer that to selling off. There's a lot of FA starting pitching out there.



We have one of the best minor league systems in baseball right? So we would have all kinds of trade bait options too. right?

252C24353B410 wrote: Keep McCutchen.



Sign/Trade for the next Burnett, Volquez, Liriano, Worley, Nova...like they always have done.


At least that's doing something.   I would prefer that to selling off.   There's a lot of FA starting pitching out there.



We have one of the best minor league systems in baseball right? So we would have all kinds of trade bait options too.  right?


You want what I was begging for three years ago. "FINISH THE TEAM", shouted into the wind for all it mattered. It was so obvious then, a WS team was missing about one piece - finish the team! "No, we're a 98 win team, what more do you want?" A finished team. The best team we could put on the field within our legitimate means. That's what I wanted and still want.



It didn't happen then, it's not happening now. It doesn't matter that its obvious to you or me or anyone else. What COULD be, what SHOULD be is simply not happening.



So we can sit here and do nothing, and then there will be nothing left. I'd love for Nutting to suddenly finish the team, but short of that, salvage some value.

676E667779030 wrote:

We may not have the same GM.  We shouldn't.


Unless this team loses 95 plus games in back to back seasons, Neal isn't going anywhere.



If you're saying this team can be good next year with just a few simple moves that don't require big spending, why would Nutting fire NH?




I'm not just saying it.  I guarantee it.   Kang and Marte back. Add a 15 million starter and a 15 million OF.    Done.


Are you someway related to Beaver Falls' own "Broadway Joe" Namath? Must be making a statement like that!

2A232B3A344E0 wrote:

We may not have the same GM.  We shouldn't.


Unless this team loses 95 plus games in back to back seasons, Neal isn't going anywhere.



If you're saying this team can be good next year with just a few simple moves that don't require big spending, why would Nutting fire NH?




I'm not just saying it.  I guarantee it.   Kang and Marte back. Add a 15 million starter and a 15 million OF.    Done.


I love the plan and the optimism!! Now who do we get to hold the gun to Nutting's head to make it happen?