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567B76676071662625140 wrote: I'm not sure I'd even want him as our #5 with how his season has gone.  I don't pay much attention outside the Pirates.  Are any of the guys they gave up prospects?


Eloy is very much a prospect.  Not really sure about Cease, I think he's maybe had injury issues?  He's a 21 year old putting up strong numbers in Low-A. To put that in perspective, Keller dominated low-a just after turning 20.
Cease is also a top prospect. But all 4 are still in A-ball. A lot can happen between there and the majors.




But at the same time, hats off to the White Sox for sticking to their demands on a potential Q return.

Value wise? Less than. Quintana is under control forever.

737671777F756C71786B6D60190 wrote: So Cole, > or < Quintana?


Please correct me if I have Quintana wrong here, but if he is a #3 at his best and Cole is an Ace at his best, I'll take Cole. 


Might have Cole wrong.

2D100E030C060D2F0710010706620 wrote: Value wise?  Less than.  Quintana is under control forever.


Quintana has club options, but can be a free agent in 2021. Cole is under control and can't be a free agent until 2020.



The difference is you know Quintana's cost to that point. Who knows what Cole will get in arbitration: Does arbitration put Cole over $12 million in 2018 and 2019?

Quintana is a strong #2. He pitches 200+ innings every year, and puts up numbers comparable to Cole. Quintana is left handed. In short, Quintana is a better value than Cole.

5B5E495A0C7D7E3F0 wrote: Quintana is a strong #2. He pitches 200+ innings every year, and puts up numbers comparable to Cole. Quintana is left handed. In short, Quintana is a better value than Cole.


Overall stats would have Cole being the better pitcher. They are pretty even with a little edge going to Cole.



(I don't know how to figure in the DH in the AL)

7F7A6D7E28595A1B0 wrote: Quintana is a strong #2. He pitches 200+ innings every year, and puts up numbers comparable to Cole. Quintana is left handed. In short, Quintana is a better value than Cole.
I would agree, after a rough start to the season he is now pitching up to his norms. I would've loved to had him.

Do we think this is enough to stir the Cubs out of their lethargy? Has the feel of a preemptive strike.

it seems really possible

57554F495F3A0 wrote: Do we think this is enough to stir the Cubs out of their lethargy? Has the feel of a preemptive strike.


When does Hendricks come back? Or does this mean he is further away than they thought?