"Fans" are a drop in the MLB revenue bucket.
The real money comes from the business sector. They pay for suites, group ticket sales, sponsorships and advertising, and the overwhelming majority of tickets sold. Then, you have television, radio, and internet deals. That's who does most of the paying.
As for who pays the Pirates players, the money the team gets from revenue sharing alone > team payroll.
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0E3B2C2C271E2C2C27202C490 wrote: "Fans" are a drop in the MLB revenue bucket.
The real money comes from the business sector. They pay for suites, group ticket sales, sponsorships and advertising, and the overwhelming majority of tickets sold. Then, you have television, radio, and internet deals. That's who does must of the paying.
As for who pays the Pirates players, [highlight]the money the team gets from revenue sharing alone > team payroll.[/highlight]
so other team's fans pay the Pirates payroll? If so we just need to convince those fans to pay more.
The real money comes from the business sector. They pay for suites, group ticket sales, sponsorships and advertising, and the overwhelming majority of tickets sold. Then, you have television, radio, and internet deals. That's who does must of the paying.
As for who pays the Pirates players, [highlight]the money the team gets from revenue sharing alone > team payroll.[/highlight]
so other team's fans pay the Pirates payroll? If so we just need to convince those fans to pay more.
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634544534555260 wrote: "Fans" are a drop in the MLB revenue bucket.
The real money comes from the business sector. They pay for suites, group ticket sales, sponsorships and advertising, and the overwhelming majority of tickets sold. Then, you have television, radio, and internet deals. That's who does must of the paying.
As for who pays the Pirates players, [highlight]the money the team gets from revenue sharing alone > team payroll.[/highlight]
so other team's fans pay the Pirates payroll? If so we just need to convince those fans to pay more.
This is not hard businesses don't pay money by paying from their profits they get that money from selling product or services at a higher prices to individuals. You see in a capitalist society profit is a necessary for survival. The more money they pay toward MLB they just raise the price of their products or services so individuals are paying not businesses or owners. Think about it, it's like businesses don't pay taxes individuals pay taxes, businesses just get the money they pay in taxes by raising the price of their products and services.
The real money comes from the business sector. They pay for suites, group ticket sales, sponsorships and advertising, and the overwhelming majority of tickets sold. Then, you have television, radio, and internet deals. That's who does must of the paying.
As for who pays the Pirates players, [highlight]the money the team gets from revenue sharing alone > team payroll.[/highlight]
so other team's fans pay the Pirates payroll? If so we just need to convince those fans to pay more.
This is not hard businesses don't pay money by paying from their profits they get that money from selling product or services at a higher prices to individuals. You see in a capitalist society profit is a necessary for survival. The more money they pay toward MLB they just raise the price of their products or services so individuals are paying not businesses or owners. Think about it, it's like businesses don't pay taxes individuals pay taxes, businesses just get the money they pay in taxes by raising the price of their products and services.
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042223342232410 wrote: "Fans" are a drop in the MLB revenue bucket.
The real money comes from the business sector. They pay for suites, group ticket sales, sponsorships and advertising, and the overwhelming majority of tickets sold. Then, you have television, radio, and internet deals. That's who does must of the paying.
As for who pays the Pirates players, [highlight]the money the team gets from revenue sharing alone > team payroll.[/highlight]
so other team's fans pay the Pirates payroll? If so we just need to convince those fans to pay more.
Revenue Sharing is not the same as money received from the Competitive Balance Tax.
Revenue Sharing is the MLB media (national & international television, radio, internet) deals, MLB sponsorships, and things like that.
The real money comes from the business sector. They pay for suites, group ticket sales, sponsorships and advertising, and the overwhelming majority of tickets sold. Then, you have television, radio, and internet deals. That's who does must of the paying.
As for who pays the Pirates players, [highlight]the money the team gets from revenue sharing alone > team payroll.[/highlight]
so other team's fans pay the Pirates payroll? If so we just need to convince those fans to pay more.
Revenue Sharing is not the same as money received from the Competitive Balance Tax.
Revenue Sharing is the MLB media (national & international television, radio, internet) deals, MLB sponsorships, and things like that.
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5D454740405746415C5D4B2E0 wrote: "Fans" are a drop in the MLB revenue bucket.
The real money comes from the business sector. They pay for suites, group ticket sales, sponsorships and advertising, and the overwhelming majority of tickets sold. Then, you have television, radio, and internet deals. That's who does must of the paying.
As for who pays the Pirates players, [highlight]the money the team gets from revenue sharing alone > team payroll.[/highlight]
so other team's fans pay the Pirates payroll? If so we just need to convince those fans to pay more.
This is not hard businesses don't pay money by paying from their profits they get that money from selling product or services at a higher prices to individuals. You see in a capitalist society profit is a necessary for survival. The more money they pay toward MLB they just raise the price of their products or services so individuals are paying not businesses or owners. Think about it, it's like businesses don't pay taxes individuals pay taxes, businesses just get the money they pay in taxes by raising the price of their products and services.
Are you suggesting that, if corporations didn't sponsor MLB clubs, consumer prices would be lower?
I don't think that they would.
The real money comes from the business sector. They pay for suites, group ticket sales, sponsorships and advertising, and the overwhelming majority of tickets sold. Then, you have television, radio, and internet deals. That's who does must of the paying.
As for who pays the Pirates players, [highlight]the money the team gets from revenue sharing alone > team payroll.[/highlight]
so other team's fans pay the Pirates payroll? If so we just need to convince those fans to pay more.
This is not hard businesses don't pay money by paying from their profits they get that money from selling product or services at a higher prices to individuals. You see in a capitalist society profit is a necessary for survival. The more money they pay toward MLB they just raise the price of their products or services so individuals are paying not businesses or owners. Think about it, it's like businesses don't pay taxes individuals pay taxes, businesses just get the money they pay in taxes by raising the price of their products and services.
Are you suggesting that, if corporations didn't sponsor MLB clubs, consumer prices would be lower?
I don't think that they would.
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Bobster21
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6055424249704242494E42270 wrote: "Fans" are a drop in the MLB revenue bucket.
The real money comes from the business sector. They pay for suites, group ticket sales, sponsorships and advertising, and the overwhelming majority of tickets sold. Then, you have television, radio, and internet deals. That's who does must of the paying.
As for who pays the Pirates players, [highlight]the money the team gets from revenue sharing alone > team payroll.[/highlight]
so other team's fans pay the Pirates payroll? If so we just need to convince those fans to pay more.
This is not hard businesses don't pay money by paying from their profits they get that money from selling product or services at a higher prices to individuals. You see in a capitalist society profit is a necessary for survival. The more money they pay toward MLB they just raise the price of their products or services so individuals are paying not businesses or owners. Think about it, it's like businesses don't pay taxes individuals pay taxes, businesses just get the money they pay in taxes by raising the price of their products and services.
Are you suggesting that, if corporations didn't sponsor MLB clubs, consumer prices would be lower?
I don't think that they would.
Businesses absolutely make their money from the public. Cable fees, streaming fees, the cost of products is factored into the cost of advertising fees or rights fees. It all goes back to the general public one way or another. The public is so accustomed to it that we don't think about the various factors that go into the pricing of things we pay for.
And then there's the argument some make that the players are only making what the market will bear. But that's not true. The market has to keep changing to accommodate what the players make. The cost to families for attending games or buying merchandise has skyrocketed over the years compared to what it was prior to the mega-salary days because the market had to be expanded to create more revenue. MLB is now discussing watering down the post season by including more teams who would otherwise not make the grade because the market needs to be expanded to create more revenue. Fans watching or listening to games get frustrated with the constant ads for every event in the game ("And now the ACME pitching change") because the broadcast needs to generate more revenue because the market needs to be expanded to create more revenue. Cities are faced with the threat of giving teams new stadiums to create more revenue or else have their team relocate because the market needs to be expanded to create more revenue.
And every time the market is expanded to generate more revenue to satisfy the player's salary demands, the fans get screwed.
The real money comes from the business sector. They pay for suites, group ticket sales, sponsorships and advertising, and the overwhelming majority of tickets sold. Then, you have television, radio, and internet deals. That's who does must of the paying.
As for who pays the Pirates players, [highlight]the money the team gets from revenue sharing alone > team payroll.[/highlight]
so other team's fans pay the Pirates payroll? If so we just need to convince those fans to pay more.
This is not hard businesses don't pay money by paying from their profits they get that money from selling product or services at a higher prices to individuals. You see in a capitalist society profit is a necessary for survival. The more money they pay toward MLB they just raise the price of their products or services so individuals are paying not businesses or owners. Think about it, it's like businesses don't pay taxes individuals pay taxes, businesses just get the money they pay in taxes by raising the price of their products and services.
Are you suggesting that, if corporations didn't sponsor MLB clubs, consumer prices would be lower?
I don't think that they would.
Businesses absolutely make their money from the public. Cable fees, streaming fees, the cost of products is factored into the cost of advertising fees or rights fees. It all goes back to the general public one way or another. The public is so accustomed to it that we don't think about the various factors that go into the pricing of things we pay for.
And then there's the argument some make that the players are only making what the market will bear. But that's not true. The market has to keep changing to accommodate what the players make. The cost to families for attending games or buying merchandise has skyrocketed over the years compared to what it was prior to the mega-salary days because the market had to be expanded to create more revenue. MLB is now discussing watering down the post season by including more teams who would otherwise not make the grade because the market needs to be expanded to create more revenue. Fans watching or listening to games get frustrated with the constant ads for every event in the game ("And now the ACME pitching change") because the broadcast needs to generate more revenue because the market needs to be expanded to create more revenue. Cities are faced with the threat of giving teams new stadiums to create more revenue or else have their team relocate because the market needs to be expanded to create more revenue.
And every time the market is expanded to generate more revenue to satisfy the player's salary demands, the fans get screwed.
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Bob,
Most companies I know of have a budget to promote their products and services.
If they didn't promote themselves via MLB, they would do it elsewhere, and we'd see very little difference in the final prices.
Yes, individuals account for revenue. I was talking about individuals and families.
MLB teams consider people like you and I as peanuts. They care about the PNCs of the world. That's huge to them. It takes hundreds of individuals, maybe thousands, to match one large benefactor.
Most companies I know of have a budget to promote their products and services.
If they didn't promote themselves via MLB, they would do it elsewhere, and we'd see very little difference in the final prices.
Yes, individuals account for revenue. I was talking about individuals and families.
MLB teams consider people like you and I as peanuts. They care about the PNCs of the world. That's huge to them. It takes hundreds of individuals, maybe thousands, to match one large benefactor.
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businesses and baseball teams charge what the market will bear. Tickets to see a Pitt baseball game are a lot less expensive than tickets to Pirate games. Yet Pitt's attendance is miniscule compared to the Bucs (who have miniscule attendance compared to most major league teams.
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796163646473626578796F0A0 wrote: We can see how MLB treats its fans, we've seen again and again how they treat their minor league players, is it any wonder the major league players need a union?
I think unions were necessary when employees were being mistreated. Back in the day workers worked 80 hour weeks no overtime no vacation, it's understandable in that situation. However the major league player are not being abused in fact they're treated like royalty. So it's evolved in greed and I'm sick of the greed. There are people who work hard play by the rules who are paying these jerks salaries so they can sell there services to the highest bidder and the cost is passed along to the fan. What a awful system for fans.
Unions are still necessary. If they disappeared, or were ruled to be illegal, workers would lose wages, benefits, safety measures, and anything else they’ve worked hard to gain.
I know you believe MLB players are greedy and overpaid, but the wages they receive are being paid by owners who’ve agreed to do so. Players may lose perhaps 60-70% of their wages if their union was eliminated. I’m sure you’d scream loudly if your wages fell that much.
The fact is that players earn what they do because they earn billions of dollars for the owners. The owners have agreed to pay the salaries they do. No one forces them.
I agree that there are millions of hard-working people who make a fraction of what baseball players make, many of them in jobs that are far more important. However, few of those workers bring in the type of revenue baseball players do, so their wages are far less. Also, no one is willing to pay money to watch those workers do their jobs.
Baseball players deserve to earn what they do because they make ridiculous amounts of money for their employers. That’s how a free market works.
I'm not sure how in the world you think the owners are paying these players. Fans are paying these players, anyone should be able to understand that simple concept. If that wasn't the case you wouldn't see baseball on TV or 40,000 seat stadiums, the owners could just have them entertain them. This isn't rocket science just use common sense.
Your boss pays you for the service you provide him/her. You then decide how to spend that money in order to satisfy your best interests.
In the same way, fans pay money to the owners of teams for staging baseball games. Owners take that revenue and do with it what's in their best interests. Just like you spend your money the way you like, the owners spend their money the way they like, such as paying for players. The owners pay the players, not the fans.
I think unions were necessary when employees were being mistreated. Back in the day workers worked 80 hour weeks no overtime no vacation, it's understandable in that situation. However the major league player are not being abused in fact they're treated like royalty. So it's evolved in greed and I'm sick of the greed. There are people who work hard play by the rules who are paying these jerks salaries so they can sell there services to the highest bidder and the cost is passed along to the fan. What a awful system for fans.
Unions are still necessary. If they disappeared, or were ruled to be illegal, workers would lose wages, benefits, safety measures, and anything else they’ve worked hard to gain.
I know you believe MLB players are greedy and overpaid, but the wages they receive are being paid by owners who’ve agreed to do so. Players may lose perhaps 60-70% of their wages if their union was eliminated. I’m sure you’d scream loudly if your wages fell that much.
The fact is that players earn what they do because they earn billions of dollars for the owners. The owners have agreed to pay the salaries they do. No one forces them.
I agree that there are millions of hard-working people who make a fraction of what baseball players make, many of them in jobs that are far more important. However, few of those workers bring in the type of revenue baseball players do, so their wages are far less. Also, no one is willing to pay money to watch those workers do their jobs.
Baseball players deserve to earn what they do because they make ridiculous amounts of money for their employers. That’s how a free market works.
I'm not sure how in the world you think the owners are paying these players. Fans are paying these players, anyone should be able to understand that simple concept. If that wasn't the case you wouldn't see baseball on TV or 40,000 seat stadiums, the owners could just have them entertain them. This isn't rocket science just use common sense.
Your boss pays you for the service you provide him/her. You then decide how to spend that money in order to satisfy your best interests.
In the same way, fans pay money to the owners of teams for staging baseball games. Owners take that revenue and do with it what's in their best interests. Just like you spend your money the way you like, the owners spend their money the way they like, such as paying for players. The owners pay the players, not the fans.
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012C21303726317172430 wrote: "Fans" are a drop in the MLB revenue bucket.
The real money comes from the business sector. They pay for suites, group ticket sales, sponsorships and advertising, and the overwhelming majority of tickets sold. Then, you have television, radio, and internet deals. That's who does must of the paying.
As for who pays the Pirates players, [highlight]the money the team gets from revenue sharing alone > team payroll.[/highlight]
so other team's fans pay the Pirates payroll? If so we just need to convince those fans to pay more.
This is not hard businesses don't pay money by paying from their profits they get that money from selling product or services at a higher prices to individuals. You see in a capitalist society profit is a necessary for survival. The more money they pay toward MLB they just raise the price of their products or services so individuals are paying not businesses or owners. Think about it, it's like businesses don't pay taxes individuals pay taxes, businesses just get the money they pay in taxes by raising the price of their products and services.
Are you suggesting that, if corporations didn't sponsor MLB clubs, consumer prices would be lower?
I don't think that they would.
Businesses absolutely make their money from the public. Cable fees, streaming fees, the cost of products is factored into the cost of advertising fees or rights fees. It all goes back to the general public one way or another. The public is so accustomed to it that we don't think about the various factors that go into the pricing of things we pay for.
[highlight]And then there's the argument some make that the players are only making what the market will bear. But that's not true.[/highlight] The market has to keep changing to accommodate what the players make. The cost to families for attending games or buying merchandise has skyrocketed over the years compared to what it was prior to the mega-salary days because the market had to be expanded to create more revenue. MLB is now discussing watering down the post season by including more teams who would otherwise not make the grade because the market needs to be expanded to create more revenue. Fans watching or listening to games get frustrated with the constant ads for every event in the game ("And now the ACME pitching change") because the broadcast needs to generate more revenue because the market needs to be expanded to create more revenue. Cities are faced with the threat of giving teams new stadiums to create more revenue or else have their team relocate because the market needs to be expanded to create more revenue.
And every time the market is expanded to generate more revenue to satisfy the player's salary demands, the fans get screwed.
Actually, it's always true. All prices, including wages, are based upon what the market bears at any one moment. Because markets fluctuate for many reasons, not least among them the availability of substitutes, prices and wages change often, but they're always based upon what the market will bear at that moment.
The real money comes from the business sector. They pay for suites, group ticket sales, sponsorships and advertising, and the overwhelming majority of tickets sold. Then, you have television, radio, and internet deals. That's who does must of the paying.
As for who pays the Pirates players, [highlight]the money the team gets from revenue sharing alone > team payroll.[/highlight]
so other team's fans pay the Pirates payroll? If so we just need to convince those fans to pay more.
This is not hard businesses don't pay money by paying from their profits they get that money from selling product or services at a higher prices to individuals. You see in a capitalist society profit is a necessary for survival. The more money they pay toward MLB they just raise the price of their products or services so individuals are paying not businesses or owners. Think about it, it's like businesses don't pay taxes individuals pay taxes, businesses just get the money they pay in taxes by raising the price of their products and services.
Are you suggesting that, if corporations didn't sponsor MLB clubs, consumer prices would be lower?
I don't think that they would.
Businesses absolutely make their money from the public. Cable fees, streaming fees, the cost of products is factored into the cost of advertising fees or rights fees. It all goes back to the general public one way or another. The public is so accustomed to it that we don't think about the various factors that go into the pricing of things we pay for.
[highlight]And then there's the argument some make that the players are only making what the market will bear. But that's not true.[/highlight] The market has to keep changing to accommodate what the players make. The cost to families for attending games or buying merchandise has skyrocketed over the years compared to what it was prior to the mega-salary days because the market had to be expanded to create more revenue. MLB is now discussing watering down the post season by including more teams who would otherwise not make the grade because the market needs to be expanded to create more revenue. Fans watching or listening to games get frustrated with the constant ads for every event in the game ("And now the ACME pitching change") because the broadcast needs to generate more revenue because the market needs to be expanded to create more revenue. Cities are faced with the threat of giving teams new stadiums to create more revenue or else have their team relocate because the market needs to be expanded to create more revenue.
And every time the market is expanded to generate more revenue to satisfy the player's salary demands, the fans get screwed.
Actually, it's always true. All prices, including wages, are based upon what the market bears at any one moment. Because markets fluctuate for many reasons, not least among them the availability of substitutes, prices and wages change often, but they're always based upon what the market will bear at that moment.