When you lose 101 games, baseball tickets are out of this world.
Win 101 games and a playoff round or two, they're dirt cheap. You can buy more $15 beers with all the money you save!
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GreenWeenie
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I've done my research.
When you lose 101 games, baseball tickets are out of this world.
Win 101 games and a playoff round or two, they're dirt cheap. You can buy more $15 beers with all the money you save!
When you lose 101 games, baseball tickets are out of this world.
Win 101 games and a playoff round or two, they're dirt cheap. You can buy more $15 beers with all the money you save!
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skinnyhorse
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737F7E252C252D20273822150 wrote: Does anyone besides me think the Players and Owners should get their act together, and settle this lockout ? We are probably about two weeks, before pitchers and catchers report to camp. When and if an agreement is reached, a Rule 5 Draft is needed, many Free Agent players remain unsigned, and players like Brian Reynolds still need to agree to a contract, or go to arbitration if that is still a provision under the new CBA. That is a lot to get done with a short window if ST is going to begin on time.
Yes I don't think they should just settle. Its time for the owners to stand their ground and just say no to the Union. Unions are nothing but socialism in a capitalistic society. If they don't won't to play so be it. I would let them stay home and let people who want to play play. The players like Mookie, Brice, Sherzer, Cole who make $35 million a year just can't work for $10 Million a year need a real reality check. To hell with everyone of these whining jerks.
Of course as some on here have correctly stated both sides are very happy with ripping off the working man while the elites enjoy there spoils. No matter what anyone on here says without the common man blowing 10% of their salary watching these spoiled brats they wouldn't be making these outrageous salaries. Until most of those making $50K to 100K stop attending these games will anything change. You see there are far fewer making $250K a year or more. It's all about the numbers. Baseball popularity will continue to decline if these elites continue abusing the common man.
Yes I don't think they should just settle. Its time for the owners to stand their ground and just say no to the Union. Unions are nothing but socialism in a capitalistic society. If they don't won't to play so be it. I would let them stay home and let people who want to play play. The players like Mookie, Brice, Sherzer, Cole who make $35 million a year just can't work for $10 Million a year need a real reality check. To hell with everyone of these whining jerks.
Of course as some on here have correctly stated both sides are very happy with ripping off the working man while the elites enjoy there spoils. No matter what anyone on here says without the common man blowing 10% of their salary watching these spoiled brats they wouldn't be making these outrageous salaries. Until most of those making $50K to 100K stop attending these games will anything change. You see there are far fewer making $250K a year or more. It's all about the numbers. Baseball popularity will continue to decline if these elites continue abusing the common man.
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skinnyhorse
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486E697C75796E78701B0 wrote: People saying tickets are too expensive must be stuck in some time warp. There isn't a team in MLB that doesn't offer some fantastical discount for a game or more during the season. Just a lot of "back in the day" nonsense. If you want to attend a game cheaply do your due diligence. I'd bet that for every million people that complain about ticket prices, 999,000 wouldn't go if there were free tickets for a game. They'd just find some new excuse.
Modifying to add, if you need proof, span the views from every MLB teams games, and you will find that even in the best attended places, there are games with acres of empty seats. Monday-Thursday games in April and May have empty seats galore, and these are the times MLB teams offer exceptional discounts, or wait till August and September when your team is out of it.
I imagine someone is a financial expert and can place some sort of inflationary index on the price of tickets, from say about mid 70's. Stadiums have more to offer these days too. I used to pay $4 dollars for upper deck seats at TRS, but the lower yellow ones, and the ones behind home plate out to first and third base. I know pricing levels have changed even back then. But when my dad came back from Viet Nam in 1970, we went to a September game and sat in the upper deck in the outfield, and tickets were either $2 or $2.50. They also had a speed gun machine, where you would get a free ticket if you guessed your speed on the third throw, and they were $4 seats and this was 1976-77 time frame. The equivalent seats to those would the corner OF 300 level seats in the higher levels, or the deck seating at PNC. Those seats are showing $18 at PNC right now, however if you use Giant Eagle or some other discount providers (military, senior citizens, Giant Eagle, PNC park card holder, etc.) those same tickets are showing $11 for senior citizens, $9 for Giant Eagle advantage card holders.
If $9 is too much to attend a game, so be it. I'm guessing the $9 ticket is pretty near the same as those ticket prices from the 70's. And that's with free agency and all.
Well said from an Elite who could care less about this game as long as they can afford it. I believe it goes something like this. "Let them eat cake"
Modifying to add, if you need proof, span the views from every MLB teams games, and you will find that even in the best attended places, there are games with acres of empty seats. Monday-Thursday games in April and May have empty seats galore, and these are the times MLB teams offer exceptional discounts, or wait till August and September when your team is out of it.
I imagine someone is a financial expert and can place some sort of inflationary index on the price of tickets, from say about mid 70's. Stadiums have more to offer these days too. I used to pay $4 dollars for upper deck seats at TRS, but the lower yellow ones, and the ones behind home plate out to first and third base. I know pricing levels have changed even back then. But when my dad came back from Viet Nam in 1970, we went to a September game and sat in the upper deck in the outfield, and tickets were either $2 or $2.50. They also had a speed gun machine, where you would get a free ticket if you guessed your speed on the third throw, and they were $4 seats and this was 1976-77 time frame. The equivalent seats to those would the corner OF 300 level seats in the higher levels, or the deck seating at PNC. Those seats are showing $18 at PNC right now, however if you use Giant Eagle or some other discount providers (military, senior citizens, Giant Eagle, PNC park card holder, etc.) those same tickets are showing $11 for senior citizens, $9 for Giant Eagle advantage card holders.
If $9 is too much to attend a game, so be it. I'm guessing the $9 ticket is pretty near the same as those ticket prices from the 70's. And that's with free agency and all.
Well said from an Elite who could care less about this game as long as they can afford it. I believe it goes something like this. "Let them eat cake"
The next CBA and the future of MLB
584042454552434459584E2B0 wrote: Does anyone besides me think the Players and Owners should get their act together, and settle this lockout ? We are probably about two weeks, before pitchers and catchers report to camp. When and if an agreement is reached, a Rule 5 Draft is needed, many Free Agent players remain unsigned, and players like Brian Reynolds still need to agree to a contract, or go to arbitration if that is still a provision under the new CBA. That is a lot to get done with a short window if ST is going to begin on time.
Yes I don't think they should just settle. Its time for the owners to stand their ground and just say no to the Union. Unions are nothing but socialism in a capitalistic society. If they don't won't to play so be it. I would let them stay home and let people who want to play play. The players like Mookie, Brice, Sherzer, Cole who make $35 million a year just can't work for $10 Million a year need a real reality check. To hell with everyone of these whining jerks.
Of course as some on here have correctly stated both sides are very happy with ripping off the working man while the elites enjoy there spoils. No matter what anyone on here says without the common man blowing 10% of their salary watching these spoiled brats they wouldn't be making these outrageous salaries. Until most of those making $50K to 100K stop attending these games will anything change. You see there are far fewer making $250K a year or more. It's all about the numbers. Baseball popularity will continue to decline if these elites continue abusing the common man.
Fox Sports is bringing back the USFL this spring. Maybe they will do something similar with baseball.
Yes I don't think they should just settle. Its time for the owners to stand their ground and just say no to the Union. Unions are nothing but socialism in a capitalistic society. If they don't won't to play so be it. I would let them stay home and let people who want to play play. The players like Mookie, Brice, Sherzer, Cole who make $35 million a year just can't work for $10 Million a year need a real reality check. To hell with everyone of these whining jerks.
Of course as some on here have correctly stated both sides are very happy with ripping off the working man while the elites enjoy there spoils. No matter what anyone on here says without the common man blowing 10% of their salary watching these spoiled brats they wouldn't be making these outrageous salaries. Until most of those making $50K to 100K stop attending these games will anything change. You see there are far fewer making $250K a year or more. It's all about the numbers. Baseball popularity will continue to decline if these elites continue abusing the common man.
Fox Sports is bringing back the USFL this spring. Maybe they will do something similar with baseball.
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776F6D6A6A7D6C6B767761040 wrote: Does anyone besides me think the Players and Owners should get their act together, and settle this lockout ? We are probably about two weeks, before pitchers and catchers report to camp. When and if an agreement is reached, a Rule 5 Draft is needed, many Free Agent players remain unsigned, and players like Brian Reynolds still need to agree to a contract, or go to arbitration if that is still a provision under the new CBA. That is a lot to get done with a short window if ST is going to begin on time.
Yes I don't think they should just settle. Its time for the owners to stand their ground and just say no to the Union. [highlight]Unions are nothing but socialism[/highlight] in a capitalistic society. If they don't won't to play so be it. I would let them stay home and let people who want to play play. [highlight]The players like Mookie, Brice, Sherzer, Cole who make $35 million a year just can't work for $10 Million a year[/highlight] need a real reality check. To hell with everyone of these whining jerks.
Of course as some on here have correctly stated both sides are very happy with ripping off the working man while the elites enjoy there spoils. No matter what anyone on here says without the common man blowing 10% of their salary watching these spoiled brats they wouldn't be making these outrageous salaries. Until most of those making $50K to 100K stop attending these games will anything change. You see there are far fewer making $250K a year or more. It's all about the numbers. Baseball popularity will continue to decline if these elites continue abusing the common man.
There's a bit of inconsistency in your argument. You reject socialism when mentioning unions but then you want to restrict the amount of money a player can earn, which sure isn't capitalism.
Actually, pro sports probably work best if operated under socialistic guidelines. If all the franchises were required to spend the same amount of money on payroll it would at least even the playing field in that respect. Then it's up to the GM to build, the manager to lead, and the players to perform. But it would start out on equal footing instead of the way it is now.
Yes I don't think they should just settle. Its time for the owners to stand their ground and just say no to the Union. [highlight]Unions are nothing but socialism[/highlight] in a capitalistic society. If they don't won't to play so be it. I would let them stay home and let people who want to play play. [highlight]The players like Mookie, Brice, Sherzer, Cole who make $35 million a year just can't work for $10 Million a year[/highlight] need a real reality check. To hell with everyone of these whining jerks.
Of course as some on here have correctly stated both sides are very happy with ripping off the working man while the elites enjoy there spoils. No matter what anyone on here says without the common man blowing 10% of their salary watching these spoiled brats they wouldn't be making these outrageous salaries. Until most of those making $50K to 100K stop attending these games will anything change. You see there are far fewer making $250K a year or more. It's all about the numbers. Baseball popularity will continue to decline if these elites continue abusing the common man.
There's a bit of inconsistency in your argument. You reject socialism when mentioning unions but then you want to restrict the amount of money a player can earn, which sure isn't capitalism.
Actually, pro sports probably work best if operated under socialistic guidelines. If all the franchises were required to spend the same amount of money on payroll it would at least even the playing field in that respect. Then it's up to the GM to build, the manager to lead, and the players to perform. But it would start out on equal footing instead of the way it is now.
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fjk090852-7
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At this point with no negotiations scheduled, ST is definitely going to be delayed. If ST is delayed, and if the regular season does not begin as scheduled, there better be some resolutions in which the smaller market teams can compete with the Big Guys. An expanded playoff system, or the universal DH does not cut it with me. I still believe in a floor, and if a team does not meet the annual floor amount then they lose a draft pick.
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2D353730302736312C2D3B5E0 wrote: People saying tickets are too expensive must be stuck in some time warp. There isn't a team in MLB that doesn't offer some fantastical discount for a game or more during the season. Just a lot of "back in the day" nonsense. If you want to attend a game cheaply do your due diligence. I'd bet that for every million people that complain about ticket prices, 999,000 wouldn't go if there were free tickets for a game. They'd just find some new excuse.
Modifying to add, if you need proof, span the views from every MLB teams games, and you will find that even in the best attended places, there are games with acres of empty seats. Monday-Thursday games in April and May have empty seats galore, and these are the times MLB teams offer exceptional discounts, or wait till August and September when your team is out of it.
I imagine someone is a financial expert and can place some sort of inflationary index on the price of tickets, from say about mid 70's. Stadiums have more to offer these days too. I used to pay $4 dollars for upper deck seats at TRS, but the lower yellow ones, and the ones behind home plate out to first and third base. I know pricing levels have changed even back then. But when my dad came back from Viet Nam in 1970, we went to a September game and sat in the upper deck in the outfield, and tickets were either $2 or $2.50. They also had a speed gun machine, where you would get a free ticket if you guessed your speed on the third throw, and they were $4 seats and this was 1976-77 time frame. The equivalent seats to those would the corner OF 300 level seats in the higher levels, or the deck seating at PNC. Those seats are showing $18 at PNC right now, however if you use Giant Eagle or some other discount providers (military, senior citizens, Giant Eagle, PNC park card holder, etc.) those same tickets are showing $11 for senior citizens, $9 for Giant Eagle advantage card holders.
If $9 is too much to attend a game, so be it. I'm guessing the $9 ticket is pretty near the same as those ticket prices from the 70's. And that's with free agency and all.
Well said from an Elite who could care less about this game as long as they can afford it. I believe it goes something like this. "Let them eat cake"
Nine dollars is elite?
Modifying to add, if you need proof, span the views from every MLB teams games, and you will find that even in the best attended places, there are games with acres of empty seats. Monday-Thursday games in April and May have empty seats galore, and these are the times MLB teams offer exceptional discounts, or wait till August and September when your team is out of it.
I imagine someone is a financial expert and can place some sort of inflationary index on the price of tickets, from say about mid 70's. Stadiums have more to offer these days too. I used to pay $4 dollars for upper deck seats at TRS, but the lower yellow ones, and the ones behind home plate out to first and third base. I know pricing levels have changed even back then. But when my dad came back from Viet Nam in 1970, we went to a September game and sat in the upper deck in the outfield, and tickets were either $2 or $2.50. They also had a speed gun machine, where you would get a free ticket if you guessed your speed on the third throw, and they were $4 seats and this was 1976-77 time frame. The equivalent seats to those would the corner OF 300 level seats in the higher levels, or the deck seating at PNC. Those seats are showing $18 at PNC right now, however if you use Giant Eagle or some other discount providers (military, senior citizens, Giant Eagle, PNC park card holder, etc.) those same tickets are showing $11 for senior citizens, $9 for Giant Eagle advantage card holders.
If $9 is too much to attend a game, so be it. I'm guessing the $9 ticket is pretty near the same as those ticket prices from the 70's. And that's with free agency and all.
Well said from an Elite who could care less about this game as long as they can afford it. I believe it goes something like this. "Let them eat cake"
Nine dollars is elite?
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GreenWeenie
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The owners have no union, but somehow, some way, they've been found guilty of collusion three times in a court of law. Maybe more. I've lost count.
Bunch of choirboys.
Nobody goes to games or tunes in to watch owners. Players are the stars. Owners are the studio.
We're here on a message board devoted to just one piece of the The Althletic Version of The Kardashians. And, stars make lots of money.
It's the way it is.
Small supply of Talent. Large demand for what they provide.
We can be critical of both.
Bunch of choirboys.
Nobody goes to games or tunes in to watch owners. Players are the stars. Owners are the studio.
We're here on a message board devoted to just one piece of the The Althletic Version of The Kardashians. And, stars make lots of money.
It's the way it is.
Small supply of Talent. Large demand for what they provide.
We can be critical of both.
The next CBA and the future of MLB
262A2B7079707875726D77400 wrote: At this point with no negotiations scheduled, ST is definitely going to be delayed. If ST is delayed, and if the regular season does not begin as scheduled, there better be some resolutions in which the smaller market teams can compete with the Big Guys. An expanded playoff system, or the universal DH does not cut it with me. I still believe in a floor, and if a team does not meet the annual floor amount then they lose a draft pick.
I don't even think discussions on how the small market teams can compete with big guys is even on the table. As long as Oakland and Tampa compete for Division titles and teams like the Mets and Cubs have disastrous seasons it's hard to say that small market teams need more help.
I don't like current situation where players are going to move on from the Pirates after 5-7 years if they are any good but can't see the Bucs ever making a signing like Mike Trout (still signed through 2030)
I don't even think discussions on how the small market teams can compete with big guys is even on the table. As long as Oakland and Tampa compete for Division titles and teams like the Mets and Cubs have disastrous seasons it's hard to say that small market teams need more help.
I don't like current situation where players are going to move on from the Pirates after 5-7 years if they are any good but can't see the Bucs ever making a signing like Mike Trout (still signed through 2030)
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skinnyhorse
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775156434A4651474F240 wrote: People saying tickets are too expensive must be stuck in some time warp. There isn't a team in MLB that doesn't offer some fantastical discount for a game or more during the season. Just a lot of "back in the day" nonsense. If you want to attend a game cheaply do your due diligence. I'd bet that for every million people that complain about ticket prices, 999,000 wouldn't go if there were free tickets for a game. They'd just find some new excuse.
Modifying to add, if you need proof, span the views from every MLB teams games, and you will find that even in the best attended places, there are games with acres of empty seats. Monday-Thursday games in April and May have empty seats galore, and these are the times MLB teams offer exceptional discounts, or wait till August and September when your team is out of it.
I imagine someone is a financial expert and can place some sort of inflationary index on the price of tickets, from say about mid 70's. Stadiums have more to offer these days too. I used to pay $4 dollars for upper deck seats at TRS, but the lower yellow ones, and the ones behind home plate out to first and third base. I know pricing levels have changed even back then. But when my dad came back from Viet Nam in 1970, we went to a September game and sat in the upper deck in the outfield, and tickets were either $2 or $2.50. They also had a speed gun machine, where you would get a free ticket if you guessed your speed on the third throw, and they were $4 seats and this was 1976-77 time frame. The equivalent seats to those would the corner OF 300 level seats in the higher levels, or the deck seating at PNC. Those seats are showing $18 at PNC right now, however if you use Giant Eagle or some other discount providers (military, senior citizens, Giant Eagle, PNC park card holder, etc.) those same tickets are showing $11 for senior citizens, $9 for Giant Eagle advantage card holders.
If $9 is too much to attend a game, so be it. I'm guessing the $9 ticket is pretty near the same as those ticket prices from the 70's. And that's with free agency and all.
Well said from an Elite who could care less about this game as long as they can afford it. I believe it goes something like this. "Let them eat cake"
Nine dollars is elite?
What a load of crap there's no $9 tickets maybe after you buy 5 $200 tickets or a last minute sale 5 minutes before the game. Why would anyone deny ticket prices are ridiculous. The last ticket I had were $250 for 2 tickets.6 years ago. I didn't buy them they were given to me by a good friend. Folks who can afford $250 for tickets really prefer not having to have to be around smelly Walmart shoppers.
Modifying to add, if you need proof, span the views from every MLB teams games, and you will find that even in the best attended places, there are games with acres of empty seats. Monday-Thursday games in April and May have empty seats galore, and these are the times MLB teams offer exceptional discounts, or wait till August and September when your team is out of it.
I imagine someone is a financial expert and can place some sort of inflationary index on the price of tickets, from say about mid 70's. Stadiums have more to offer these days too. I used to pay $4 dollars for upper deck seats at TRS, but the lower yellow ones, and the ones behind home plate out to first and third base. I know pricing levels have changed even back then. But when my dad came back from Viet Nam in 1970, we went to a September game and sat in the upper deck in the outfield, and tickets were either $2 or $2.50. They also had a speed gun machine, where you would get a free ticket if you guessed your speed on the third throw, and they were $4 seats and this was 1976-77 time frame. The equivalent seats to those would the corner OF 300 level seats in the higher levels, or the deck seating at PNC. Those seats are showing $18 at PNC right now, however if you use Giant Eagle or some other discount providers (military, senior citizens, Giant Eagle, PNC park card holder, etc.) those same tickets are showing $11 for senior citizens, $9 for Giant Eagle advantage card holders.
If $9 is too much to attend a game, so be it. I'm guessing the $9 ticket is pretty near the same as those ticket prices from the 70's. And that's with free agency and all.
Well said from an Elite who could care less about this game as long as they can afford it. I believe it goes something like this. "Let them eat cake"
Nine dollars is elite?
What a load of crap there's no $9 tickets maybe after you buy 5 $200 tickets or a last minute sale 5 minutes before the game. Why would anyone deny ticket prices are ridiculous. The last ticket I had were $250 for 2 tickets.6 years ago. I didn't buy them they were given to me by a good friend. Folks who can afford $250 for tickets really prefer not having to have to be around smelly Walmart shoppers.