Just to rub salt in our wound; here is the latest Shane Baz stats:
AA/AAA
2.09 ERA
0.79 WHIP
51 innings pitched
8 BB
77 K’s
His fastball has hit 100 MPH
Look at his control!!!!
With the recent draft haul, if we still had Baz, the Farm System would probably be rated #1. Heard reports that the system may be #2 or #3 after the draft, pending signings
Shane Baz
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CarolinaBucco
Shane Baz
That works out well for us because this team doesn't need any more starting pitching.
Baz was your typical PTBNL throw-in.
Seriously, since when is a No. 1 pick who throws 100 mph a PTBNL ???
I thought all PTBNLers were non-prospects, afterthoughts.
Not No. 1 starters who throw 100 !!
I've always considered the Aramis Ramirez trade as the benchmark for worst Pirates trade of the modern era.
But this one is somehow even worse. Much worse.
Baz was your typical PTBNL throw-in.
Seriously, since when is a No. 1 pick who throws 100 mph a PTBNL ???
I thought all PTBNLers were non-prospects, afterthoughts.
Not No. 1 starters who throw 100 !!
I've always considered the Aramis Ramirez trade as the benchmark for worst Pirates trade of the modern era.
But this one is somehow even worse. Much worse.
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Bobster21
Shane Baz
0321322F2C292E21023523232F400 wrote: That works out well for us because this team doesn't need any more starting pitching.
Baz was your typical PTBNL throw-in.
Seriously, since when is a No. 1 pick who throws 100 mph a PTBNL ???
I thought all PTBNLers were non-prospects, afterthoughts.
Not No. 1 starters who throw 100 !!
I've always considered the Aramis Ramirez trade as the benchmark for worst Pirates trade of the modern era.
But this one is somehow even worse. Much worse.
I agree that this one was worse. The Ramirez "trade' was strictly a financial deal. The Pirates had run afoul of MLB rules on revenue vs payroll and were forced to unload salary ASAP. They had worked a deal sending Kris Benson to Atlanta but at the last minute he hurt his arm. By subtracting the salaries of Ramirez and Lofton and adding only the salaries of Jose Hernandez, a LMG in the immortal Bobby Hill and a minor leaguer they promptly released, they got their finances in order. It was a dismal trade from a baseball standpoint but it was not made for baseball reasons.
The Archer trade was strictly a baseball deal. Huntington somehow thought the addition of a fading Archer was worth Meadows, Glasnow and Baz. It was irrational and irresponsible from a baseball stsandpoint.
Baz was your typical PTBNL throw-in.
Seriously, since when is a No. 1 pick who throws 100 mph a PTBNL ???
I thought all PTBNLers were non-prospects, afterthoughts.
Not No. 1 starters who throw 100 !!
I've always considered the Aramis Ramirez trade as the benchmark for worst Pirates trade of the modern era.
But this one is somehow even worse. Much worse.
I agree that this one was worse. The Ramirez "trade' was strictly a financial deal. The Pirates had run afoul of MLB rules on revenue vs payroll and were forced to unload salary ASAP. They had worked a deal sending Kris Benson to Atlanta but at the last minute he hurt his arm. By subtracting the salaries of Ramirez and Lofton and adding only the salaries of Jose Hernandez, a LMG in the immortal Bobby Hill and a minor leaguer they promptly released, they got their finances in order. It was a dismal trade from a baseball standpoint but it was not made for baseball reasons.
The Archer trade was strictly a baseball deal. Huntington somehow thought the addition of a fading Archer was worth Meadows, Glasnow and Baz. It was irrational and irresponsible from a baseball stsandpoint.
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JollyRoger
- Posts: 1469
- Joined: Sat Jul 16, 2016 8:31 pm
Shane Baz
You could probably make a case that if the Bucs still had those players, Meadows in RF, Glasnow and Baz in the starting rotation that they would be battling the Reds for 2nd just behind the Brewers. That trade alone set the Bucs timetable to compete back 3 years.
Shane Baz
7B565B4A4D5C4B0B08390 wrote: That works out well for us because this team doesn't need any more starting pitching.
Baz was your typical PTBNL throw-in.
Seriously, since when is a No. 1 pick who throws 100 mph a PTBNL ???
I thought all PTBNLers were non-prospects, afterthoughts.
Not No. 1 starters who throw 100 !!
I've always considered the Aramis Ramirez trade as the benchmark for worst Pirates trade of the modern era.
But this one is somehow even worse. Much worse.
I agree that this one was worse. The Ramirez "trade' was strictly a financial deal. The Pirates had run afoul of MLB rules on revenue vs payroll and were forced to unload salary ASAP. They had worked a deal sending Kris Benson to Atlanta but at the last minute he hurt his arm. By subtracting the salaries of Ramirez and Lofton and adding only the salaries of Jose Hernandez, a LMG in the immortal Bobby Hill and a minor leaguer they promptly released, they got their finances in order. It was a dismal trade from a baseball standpoint but it was not made for baseball reasons.
The Archer trade was strictly a baseball deal. Huntington somehow thought the addition of a fading Archer was worth Meadows, Glasnow and Baz. It was irrational and irresponsible from a baseball stsandpoint.
And on top of that, none of the guys he traded had reached their arbitration years. They were cheap and under team control. It wasn't like they were impending free agents.
Baz was your typical PTBNL throw-in.
Seriously, since when is a No. 1 pick who throws 100 mph a PTBNL ???
I thought all PTBNLers were non-prospects, afterthoughts.
Not No. 1 starters who throw 100 !!
I've always considered the Aramis Ramirez trade as the benchmark for worst Pirates trade of the modern era.
But this one is somehow even worse. Much worse.
I agree that this one was worse. The Ramirez "trade' was strictly a financial deal. The Pirates had run afoul of MLB rules on revenue vs payroll and were forced to unload salary ASAP. They had worked a deal sending Kris Benson to Atlanta but at the last minute he hurt his arm. By subtracting the salaries of Ramirez and Lofton and adding only the salaries of Jose Hernandez, a LMG in the immortal Bobby Hill and a minor leaguer they promptly released, they got their finances in order. It was a dismal trade from a baseball standpoint but it was not made for baseball reasons.
The Archer trade was strictly a baseball deal. Huntington somehow thought the addition of a fading Archer was worth Meadows, Glasnow and Baz. It was irrational and irresponsible from a baseball stsandpoint.
And on top of that, none of the guys he traded had reached their arbitration years. They were cheap and under team control. It wasn't like they were impending free agents.
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2drfischer@gmail.c
Shane Baz
270100170111620 wrote: wouldn't it be ironic if Baz turns out to be NH's best number 1 pick?
Indeed it would. However, if that trade had not been made, Huntington might still be the GM. And if that's the case, Baz likely would've floundered like Glasnow did here and never reached his potential. The best thing that happened to Baz (and Meadows and Glasnow) was that he got away from Huntington and his people.
Indeed it would. However, if that trade had not been made, Huntington might still be the GM. And if that's the case, Baz likely would've floundered like Glasnow did here and never reached his potential. The best thing that happened to Baz (and Meadows and Glasnow) was that he got away from Huntington and his people.
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rucker59@gmail.com
Shane Baz
7F5A59594C675A525047350 wrote: You could probably make a case that if the Bucs still had those players, Meadows in RF, Glasnow and Baz in the starting rotation that they would be battling the Reds for 2nd just behind the Brewers. That trade alone set the Bucs timetable to compete back 3 years.
That hurts. But great point.
That hurts. But great point.
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steve49
Shane Baz
4163706D6E6B6C63407761616D020 wrote: That works out well for us because this team doesn't need any more starting pitching.
Baz was your typical PTBNL throw-in.
Seriously, since when is a No. 1 pick who throws 100 mph a PTBNL ???
I thought all PTBNLers were non-prospects, afterthoughts.
Not No. 1 starters who throw 100 !!
I've always considered the Aramis Ramirez trade as the benchmark for worst Pirates trade of the modern era.
But this one is somehow even worse. Much worse.
When the trade was made it was said that the PTBNL was of significant value. So we did have a hint ... not that it means anything or makes it any more palatable .
Baz was your typical PTBNL throw-in.
Seriously, since when is a No. 1 pick who throws 100 mph a PTBNL ???
I thought all PTBNLers were non-prospects, afterthoughts.
Not No. 1 starters who throw 100 !!
I've always considered the Aramis Ramirez trade as the benchmark for worst Pirates trade of the modern era.
But this one is somehow even worse. Much worse.
When the trade was made it was said that the PTBNL was of significant value. So we did have a hint ... not that it means anything or makes it any more palatable .
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BellevueBuc
- Posts: 343
- Joined: Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:41 pm
Shane Baz
1C313C2D2A3B2C6C6F5E0 wrote: That works out well for us because this team doesn't need any more starting pitching.
Baz was your typical PTBNL throw-in.
Seriously, since when is a No. 1 pick who throws 100 mph a PTBNL ???
I thought all PTBNLers were non-prospects, afterthoughts.
Not No. 1 starters who throw 100 !!
I've always considered the Aramis Ramirez trade as the benchmark for worst Pirates trade of the modern era.
But this one is somehow even worse. Much worse.
I agree that this one was worse. The Ramirez "trade' was strictly a financial deal. The Pirates had run afoul of MLB rules on revenue vs payroll and were forced to unload salary ASAP. They had worked a deal sending Kris Benson to Atlanta but at the last minute he hurt his arm. By subtracting the salaries of Ramirez and Lofton and adding only the salaries of Jose Hernandez, a LMG in the immortal Bobby Hill and a minor leaguer they promptly released, they got their finances in order. It was a dismal trade from a baseball standpoint but it was not made for baseball reasons.
The Archer trade was strictly a baseball deal. Huntington somehow thought the addition of a fading Archer was worth Meadows, Glasnow and Baz. It was irrational and irresponsible from a baseball stsandpoint.
The Pirates were exempt from that rule. Which is actually worse if it was money driven. McClatchy's inept handling of the finances is how we ended up with Nutting.
The Archer trade, also was not a move the GM wanted to make, and also money driven. Frank Coonley forced the trade because the Pirates needed marketable players to sell tickets.
Baz was your typical PTBNL throw-in.
Seriously, since when is a No. 1 pick who throws 100 mph a PTBNL ???
I thought all PTBNLers were non-prospects, afterthoughts.
Not No. 1 starters who throw 100 !!
I've always considered the Aramis Ramirez trade as the benchmark for worst Pirates trade of the modern era.
But this one is somehow even worse. Much worse.
I agree that this one was worse. The Ramirez "trade' was strictly a financial deal. The Pirates had run afoul of MLB rules on revenue vs payroll and were forced to unload salary ASAP. They had worked a deal sending Kris Benson to Atlanta but at the last minute he hurt his arm. By subtracting the salaries of Ramirez and Lofton and adding only the salaries of Jose Hernandez, a LMG in the immortal Bobby Hill and a minor leaguer they promptly released, they got their finances in order. It was a dismal trade from a baseball standpoint but it was not made for baseball reasons.
The Archer trade was strictly a baseball deal. Huntington somehow thought the addition of a fading Archer was worth Meadows, Glasnow and Baz. It was irrational and irresponsible from a baseball stsandpoint.
The Pirates were exempt from that rule. Which is actually worse if it was money driven. McClatchy's inept handling of the finances is how we ended up with Nutting.
The Archer trade, also was not a move the GM wanted to make, and also money driven. Frank Coonley forced the trade because the Pirates needed marketable players to sell tickets.