Give me these 7 guys for next year:
Reynolds
Hayes
Cruz
Castro
Contreras
Ortiz
Keller
I'm not saying those 7 are untouchable by any means, because they're not (except for Cruz, IMO).
But those are the only 7 worth keeping.
The rest of the roster is an abomination, a disaster -- entirely replaceable and needs to be overhauled.
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fjk090852-7
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143625383B3E39361522343438570 wrote: Give me these 7 guys for next year:
Reynolds
Hayes
Cruz
Castro
Contreras
Ortiz
Keller
I'm not saying those 7 are untouchable by any means, because they're not (except for Cruz, IMO).
But those are the only 7 worth keeping.
The rest of the roster is an abomination, a disaster -- entirely replaceable and needs to be overhauled.
Those 7 are untouchable, but I would not give up on Bednar, De Los Santos, Holdermen as bullpen pieces. Also I like Chavis as a platoon and bench player.
Reynolds
Hayes
Cruz
Castro
Contreras
Ortiz
Keller
I'm not saying those 7 are untouchable by any means, because they're not (except for Cruz, IMO).
But those are the only 7 worth keeping.
The rest of the roster is an abomination, a disaster -- entirely replaceable and needs to be overhauled.
Those 7 are untouchable, but I would not give up on Bednar, De Los Santos, Holdermen as bullpen pieces. Also I like Chavis as a platoon and bench player.
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2drfischer@gmail.c
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0123302D2E2B2C23003721212D420 wrote: Give me these 7 guys for next year:
Reynolds
Hayes
Cruz
Castro
Contreras
Ortiz
Keller
I'm not saying those 7 are untouchable by any means, because they're not (except for Cruz, IMO).
But those are the only 7 worth keeping.
The rest of the roster is an abomination, a disaster -- entirely replaceable and needs to be overhauled.
I would add Oviedo and Bednar but, yeah, there's not much else to be excited about. Although, with Suwinski missing a good portion of a full Triple A season this year, I'd be willing to hang onto him.
Reynolds
Hayes
Cruz
Castro
Contreras
Ortiz
Keller
I'm not saying those 7 are untouchable by any means, because they're not (except for Cruz, IMO).
But those are the only 7 worth keeping.
The rest of the roster is an abomination, a disaster -- entirely replaceable and needs to be overhauled.
I would add Oviedo and Bednar but, yeah, there's not much else to be excited about. Although, with Suwinski missing a good portion of a full Triple A season this year, I'd be willing to hang onto him.
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fjk090852-7
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673127333C26363D3027153238343C397B36550 wrote: Give me these 7 guys for next year:
Reynolds
Hayes
Cruz
Castro
Contreras
Ortiz
Keller
I'm not saying those 7 are untouchable by any means, because they're not (except for Cruz, IMO).
But those are the only 7 worth keeping.
The rest of the roster is an abomination, a disaster -- entirely replaceable and needs to be overhauled.
I would add Oviedo and Bednar but, yeah, there's not much else to be excited about. Although, with Suwinski missing a good portion of a full Triple A season this year, I'd be willing to hang onto him.
I agree Oviedo needs to be retained, and I think Suwinski needs some additional time in the minors. I like his power and defense, but he needs to become a better hitter. I think he is a similar player like Reynolds, but he needs to hit more singles, doubles etc.
Reynolds
Hayes
Cruz
Castro
Contreras
Ortiz
Keller
I'm not saying those 7 are untouchable by any means, because they're not (except for Cruz, IMO).
But those are the only 7 worth keeping.
The rest of the roster is an abomination, a disaster -- entirely replaceable and needs to be overhauled.
I would add Oviedo and Bednar but, yeah, there's not much else to be excited about. Although, with Suwinski missing a good portion of a full Triple A season this year, I'd be willing to hang onto him.
I agree Oviedo needs to be retained, and I think Suwinski needs some additional time in the minors. I like his power and defense, but he needs to become a better hitter. I think he is a similar player like Reynolds, but he needs to hit more singles, doubles etc.
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2drfischer@gmail.c
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6E6263383138303D3A253F080 wrote: Give me these 7 guys for next year:
Reynolds
Hayes
Cruz
Castro
Contreras
Ortiz
Keller
I'm not saying those 7 are untouchable by any means, because they're not (except for Cruz, IMO).
But those are the only 7 worth keeping.
The rest of the roster is an abomination, a disaster -- entirely replaceable and needs to be overhauled.
I would add Oviedo and Bednar but, yeah, there's not much else to be excited about. Although, with Suwinski missing a good portion of a full Triple A season this year, I'd be willing to hang onto him.
I agree Oviedo needs to be retained, and I think Suwinski needs some additional time in the minors. I like his power and defense, but he needs to become a better hitter. I think he is a similar player like Reynolds, but he needs to hit more singles, doubles etc.
Suwinski's 16 HRs is worth giving him more consideration, but I might think about starting him in Indy for a month or two before bringing him back. Maybe being a 4th outfielder is the best we can expect, which can be very serviceable.
Reynolds
Hayes
Cruz
Castro
Contreras
Ortiz
Keller
I'm not saying those 7 are untouchable by any means, because they're not (except for Cruz, IMO).
But those are the only 7 worth keeping.
The rest of the roster is an abomination, a disaster -- entirely replaceable and needs to be overhauled.
I would add Oviedo and Bednar but, yeah, there's not much else to be excited about. Although, with Suwinski missing a good portion of a full Triple A season this year, I'd be willing to hang onto him.
I agree Oviedo needs to be retained, and I think Suwinski needs some additional time in the minors. I like his power and defense, but he needs to become a better hitter. I think he is a similar player like Reynolds, but he needs to hit more singles, doubles etc.
Suwinski's 16 HRs is worth giving him more consideration, but I might think about starting him in Indy for a month or two before bringing him back. Maybe being a 4th outfielder is the best we can expect, which can be very serviceable.
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A few comments:
While I concur with the sentiments expressed above regarding Ortiz, 2 months ago, I doubt that anyone on this Board would have included Ortiz on this list. Two very encouraging starts and he is now a must keep. Again, I don't question including him on this list, but I suggest that things can change really fast in baseball.
I agree with the other 6 players on the initial list, but in the longer term, I view Hayes as trade bait. His contract was really front loaded --- he will make $10 mil next year --- but, will be making only $7 mil for the next 4 seasons, with another 2 seasons at $8 mil. Unless he really picks up his batting average and on base percentage to make up for his lack of power, I don't believe Hayes should be considered an essential piece moving forward.
Like some other folks, I would add players to the initial list. On the pitching front, I would include Oviedo, Bednar, DeJong, and Banuelos, and also would include Brubaker and Wilson. Someone needs to pitch in the pen, and Bednar, DeJong, and Banuelos have all shown some ability to do so. DeLosSantos, now injured, likely should be on the list as well. Clearly, Brubaker and Wilson have a lot of warts, but Brubaker could be a serviceable # 5 starter, and Wilson (who is still only 25), could be a swingman and a depth starter (particularly when there are not a lot of these candidates in the upper minors & he is cheap).
On the position player front, I add Suwinski, who may need to go back to AAA for at least a while and perhaps most of next season, and Mitchell. Mitchell is only 23 (6 months younger than Cruz), has posted some decent numbers at AAA, and in my eyes, has shown signs of growing as a hitter. I also add Delay. Is Delay a world beater - No - but he is a decent defensive catcher who is cheap. When I hear that the Pirates may resign Perez, who cost $5 mil last year and who has been injured for most of the last 2 years, it reinforces why I believe keeping Delay makes sense.
Continuing, the Pirates are so shy on internal bullpen options in the minors they likely will hang onto Crow, Ramirez, and maybe even Underwood. I also believe they will hang onto Chavis, simply because the viable candidates for first in the minors (Endy Rodriguez) likely is a year away, and because they will insist on keeping Cruz at first. Mitchell, at first, however, may be an option.
I get your basic premise --- the 7 you identified are the core moving forward. That said, I believe there is other talent on the team that warrants keeping (but who could be replaced), and that there are other players who the team really should move on from --- e.g. Allen, Park, Gamel, et al.
While I concur with the sentiments expressed above regarding Ortiz, 2 months ago, I doubt that anyone on this Board would have included Ortiz on this list. Two very encouraging starts and he is now a must keep. Again, I don't question including him on this list, but I suggest that things can change really fast in baseball.
I agree with the other 6 players on the initial list, but in the longer term, I view Hayes as trade bait. His contract was really front loaded --- he will make $10 mil next year --- but, will be making only $7 mil for the next 4 seasons, with another 2 seasons at $8 mil. Unless he really picks up his batting average and on base percentage to make up for his lack of power, I don't believe Hayes should be considered an essential piece moving forward.
Like some other folks, I would add players to the initial list. On the pitching front, I would include Oviedo, Bednar, DeJong, and Banuelos, and also would include Brubaker and Wilson. Someone needs to pitch in the pen, and Bednar, DeJong, and Banuelos have all shown some ability to do so. DeLosSantos, now injured, likely should be on the list as well. Clearly, Brubaker and Wilson have a lot of warts, but Brubaker could be a serviceable # 5 starter, and Wilson (who is still only 25), could be a swingman and a depth starter (particularly when there are not a lot of these candidates in the upper minors & he is cheap).
On the position player front, I add Suwinski, who may need to go back to AAA for at least a while and perhaps most of next season, and Mitchell. Mitchell is only 23 (6 months younger than Cruz), has posted some decent numbers at AAA, and in my eyes, has shown signs of growing as a hitter. I also add Delay. Is Delay a world beater - No - but he is a decent defensive catcher who is cheap. When I hear that the Pirates may resign Perez, who cost $5 mil last year and who has been injured for most of the last 2 years, it reinforces why I believe keeping Delay makes sense.
Continuing, the Pirates are so shy on internal bullpen options in the minors they likely will hang onto Crow, Ramirez, and maybe even Underwood. I also believe they will hang onto Chavis, simply because the viable candidates for first in the minors (Endy Rodriguez) likely is a year away, and because they will insist on keeping Cruz at first. Mitchell, at first, however, may be an option.
I get your basic premise --- the 7 you identified are the core moving forward. That said, I believe there is other talent on the team that warrants keeping (but who could be replaced), and that there are other players who the team really should move on from --- e.g. Allen, Park, Gamel, et al.
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Hayes
Cruz
Castro
Reynolds
Contreras
Keller
Bednar
DeJong
Banuelos
Too many warts on this group alone to anoint anyone else that's played on the Pirates this season as automatic for next year's roster.
ST is going to have to be competition. We're pretty much hitting that point where NH guys and BC guys are going to fighting each other for the jobs, now that the BC drafts are starting to get to AAA level.
We need 2 OF's better than what we have with the likes of Gamel, Allen, Mitchell. We need a 1B guy. We need catchers (doesn't just about every team?). We need 3-4 SP, 5-6 bullpen guys.
Some of those guys right now in the system or on the team might make a leap in improvement next year with a lot of MLB time under their belts.
I just don't want them heading into the offseason thinking they have to keep a bunch of guys from a team that is going to lose 100 or more games again.
Cruz
Castro
Reynolds
Contreras
Keller
Bednar
DeJong
Banuelos
Too many warts on this group alone to anoint anyone else that's played on the Pirates this season as automatic for next year's roster.
ST is going to have to be competition. We're pretty much hitting that point where NH guys and BC guys are going to fighting each other for the jobs, now that the BC drafts are starting to get to AAA level.
We need 2 OF's better than what we have with the likes of Gamel, Allen, Mitchell. We need a 1B guy. We need catchers (doesn't just about every team?). We need 3-4 SP, 5-6 bullpen guys.
Some of those guys right now in the system or on the team might make a leap in improvement next year with a lot of MLB time under their belts.
I just don't want them heading into the offseason thinking they have to keep a bunch of guys from a team that is going to lose 100 or more games again.
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WildwoodDave2
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Hayes
Cruz
Castro
Reynolds
Keller
Contreras
Bednar
I agree with those who mentioned Ortiz and Oviedo
Bednar obviously has to be healthy. Not like this year
Utility- Chavis and Newman
Cruz
Castro
Reynolds
Keller
Contreras
Bednar
I agree with those who mentioned Ortiz and Oviedo
Bednar obviously has to be healthy. Not like this year
Utility- Chavis and Newman
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WildwoodDave2
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5D63666E7D65656E4E6B7C6F380A0 wrote: Hayes
Cruz
Castro
Reynolds
Keller
Contreras
Bednar
I agree with those who mentioned Ortiz and Oviedo
Bednar obviously has to be healthy. Not like this year
Utility- Chavis and Newman
I forgot someone- A new manager
Cruz
Castro
Reynolds
Keller
Contreras
Bednar
I agree with those who mentioned Ortiz and Oviedo
Bednar obviously has to be healthy. Not like this year
Utility- Chavis and Newman
I forgot someone- A new manager
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DemDog
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4D73767E6D75757E5E7B6C7F281A0 wrote: Hayes
Cruz
Castro
Reynolds
Keller
Contreras
Bednar
I agree with those who mentioned Ortiz and Oviedo
Bednar obviously has to be healthy. Not like this year
Utility- Chavis and Newman
I forgot someone- A new manager
And while your forgetting we need a new coaching staff go go along with the new manager.
Cruz
Castro
Reynolds
Keller
Contreras
Bednar
I agree with those who mentioned Ortiz and Oviedo
Bednar obviously has to be healthy. Not like this year
Utility- Chavis and Newman
I forgot someone- A new manager
And while your forgetting we need a new coaching staff go go along with the new manager.