Tuesday game thread: Tallion faces Brewers

dmetz · Post by **dmetz** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:04 am

Ok Crick. Scoreless let's go! Hold it together bullpen. Give our powerful bottom of the order a chance to win this

INbuc · Post by **INbuc** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:45 am

It took nine innings to confirm it, but the game was lost in the first when Taillon served up that GPS-guided pumpkin right down the middle to Aguilar.

Wrathchild · Post by **Wrathchild** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:59 am

56517D6A7C1F0 wrote: It took nine innings to confirm it, but the game was lost in the first when Taillon served up that GPS-guided pumpkin right down the middle to Aguilar.

That’s just another example of Ray Searage standing in the way of a pitcher’s development. That Astros pitching coach tells his pitchers not to do that.

Ecbucs · Post by **Ecbucs** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:18 am

attendance was 14,152

SCBucco · Post by **SCBucco** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:44 pm

634E43525544531310210 wrote: Tallion gives up a 2 run HR in top of first.

His inconsistency is surprising and very disappointing. Not much difference in expectation between a 1-1 (Cole) and a 1-2 (Tallion), is there?
Maybe Taillon needs to go to the Astros.

Maybe the Pirates need to turn him into a pitch-to-contact sinker ball pitcher: the Brewers are hitting him HARD. He’s lucky to only be down 3 runs.

Man, he’s been as disappointing as Bell.
That's disappointing. I expected Taillon to become another one of those outstanding starting pitchers developed under the watch of the great guru Ray Searage like.....uh...wait a minute...uh...I'm sure there's somebody....like...uh...I'm sure it'll come to me. Oh! Oh! I got it! Oops, no never mind. Maybe...nah. Well, maybe Tailon will be the first. Maybe.

Searage is the guru for reclamation projects; not high end talents. Even his reclamation project magic is in question now.

notes34 · Post by **notes34** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:54 pm

7666675046464A250 wrote: Tallion gives up a 2 run HR in top of first.

His inconsistency is surprising and very disappointing. Not much difference in expectation between a 1-1 (Cole) and a 1-2 (Tallion), is there?
Maybe Taillon needs to go to the Astros.

Maybe the Pirates need to turn him into a pitch-to-contact sinker ball pitcher: the Brewers are hitting him HARD. He’s lucky to only be down 3 runs.

Man, he’s been as disappointing as Bell.
That's disappointing. I expected Taillon to become another one of those outstanding starting pitchers developed under the watch of the great guru Ray Searage like.....uh...wait a minute...uh...I'm sure there's somebody....like...uh...I'm sure it'll come to me. Oh! Oh! I got it! Oops, no never mind. Maybe...nah. Well, maybe Tailon will be the first. Maybe.

Searage is the guru for reclamation projects; not high end talents. Even his reclamation project magic is in question now.
Yeah, I'm not sure how long we hold onto this whole idea of Searage being a miracle worker. His track record with young starters isn't very good.

Wrathchild · Post by **Wrathchild** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:23 pm

I don't know that I subscribe to the Ray Searage magic, but the notion that he's somehow holding Pirates pitchers back is at least equally silly. Kuhl, Kingham, Williams and Musgrove seem to be progressing at a rate one might have hoped for so far. Taillon looked great and then sustained injuries and health issues. He still has only thrown 320 MLB innings and has an ERA+ of 104. He's not even close to a failure yet. Cole had a solid Pirates career that saw him escalate to one of the best pitchers in the game under Searage. I don't know what happened later, but it wouldn't seem to be due to Searage being incompetent. In other words, Searage has had two top young talents and neither can be characterized as failures under his watch and he's bringing along a very young staff pretty well right now.