Pirate Moves

[DemDog]

1E20252D3E26262D0D283F2C7B490 wrote: Paul Zeise of the PG. wrote a rather radical and debatable article.

He said that he feels that the Pirates won't contend until 2024 at the earliest. He said that any player on the roster who is not expected to be here and be able to contribute at that time should go. In regard to Reynolds he said If the Pirates don't intend to give him a long-term lucrative deal then he should go. His value is high now. Same with Quintana and believe it or not, Bednar. The only ones who he considered untouchable are Hayes, Cruz, Suwinski, Contreras and Castillo. Wasn't high on Keller either.(Maybe he wrote the article before the Marlins game. He said he

knows the article won't sit well with the fans but this is his approach. So gentleman, what do you think? Please Possum, no

salary dump, dumpster fire or to quote an ex member- kick the can down the road!


Now Mrs. Wildwood is yelling at me. "Why are you posting that?

You are just going to get the guys upset!. Now the board is going to light up. Surg, Doc, Bobster, Possum , Jolly Roger, Steady Freddy, etc all going to be upset"! I just said "just get dinner ready ready and keep quiet. Game is on at 6:40"


Are you referring to "BananaNana" aka Mrs. Wildwood?

[WildwoodDave2]

63424A634840270 wrote: Paul Zeise of the PG. wrote a rather radical and debatable article.

He said that he feels that the Pirates won't contend until 2024 at the earliest. He said that any player on the roster who is not expected to be here and be able to contribute at that time should go. In regard to Reynolds he said If the Pirates don't intend to give him a long-term lucrative deal then he should go. His value is high now. Same with Quintana and believe it or not, Bednar. The only ones who he considered untouchable are Hayes, Cruz, Suwinski, Contreras and Castillo. Wasn't high on Keller either.(Maybe he wrote the article before the Marlins game. He said he

knows the article won't sit well with the fans but this is his approach. So gentleman, what do you think? Please Possum, no

salary dump, dumpster fire or to quote an ex member- kick the can down the road!


Now Mrs. Wildwood is yelling at me. "Why are you posting that?

You are just going to get the guys upset!. Now the board is going to light up. Surg, Doc, Bobster, Possum , Jolly Roger, Steady Freddy, etc all going to be upset"! I just said "just get dinner ready ready and keep quiet. Game is on at 6:40"


Are you referring to "BananaNana" aka Mrs. Wildwood? 


Yes, the one and only!

[2drfischer@gmail.c]

5B6560687B636368486D7A693E0C0 wrote: Paul Zeise of the PG. wrote a rather radical and debatable article.

He said that he feels that the Pirates won't contend until 2024 at the earliest. He said that any player on the roster who is not expected to be here and be able to contribute at that time should go. In regard to Reynolds he said If the Pirates don't intend to give him a long-term lucrative deal then he should go. His value is high now. Same with Quintana and believe it or not, Bednar. The only ones who he considered untouchable are Hayes, Cruz, Suwinski, Contreras and Castillo. Wasn't high on Keller either.(Maybe he wrote the article before the Marlins game. He said he

knows the article won't sit well with the fans but this is his approach. So gentleman, what do you think? Please Possum, no

salary dump, dumpster fire or to quote an ex member- kick the can down the road!


Now Mrs. Wildwood is yelling at me. "Why are you posting that?

You are just going to get the guys upset!. Now the board is going to light up. Surg, Doc, Bobster, Possum , Jolly Roger, Steady Freddy, etc all going to be upset"! I just said "just get dinner ready ready and keep quiet. Game is on at 6:40"


In some ways I think he's right.  Why waste time on players who'll be gone in two years?  On the other hand, if they play positions where there's no youngster ready to take over those positions, it's okay to keep an older player in hopes that he raises his stock for a trade in 2023.



It's a fluid situation, but I think Cherington will continue to stick with his plan to advance players through the system when he feels they're ready.  If a player shows he's ready sooner, maybe BC will advance him faster, like he did with Suwinski.  Trades of younger players who might be blocked by a better younger player could occur.  BC will make mistakes, as all GMs do.  But I think he'll make more good moves than bad.

[WildwoodDave2]

I had a discussion with someone today who said he

would rather have Musgrove than Bednar. I said that

Musgrove is 8-2 and Bednar has 16 saves. Bednar could end

up with 30 plus saves. Musgrove could possibly win-16-18 games.

Both made the All Star Team. One pitches every 5 days. One, assuming the game is on the line, can pitch every other day or

back to back days. What do you guys think?

[Bobster21]

6957525A4951515A7A5F485B0C3E0 wrote: I had a discussion with someone today who said he

would rather have Musgrove than Bednar. I said that

Musgrove is 8-2 and Bednar has 16 saves. Bednar could end

up with 30 plus saves. Musgrove could possibly win-16-18 games.

Both made the All Star Team. One pitches every 5 days. One, assuming the game is on the line, can pitch every other day or

back to back days. What do you guys think?
I believe good starting pitchers are more valuable than good closers. Saves are relatively easy to get. You only need to pitch 1 inning and if you have a 2 or 3 run lead you can even be scored upon and still get the save. A lot of pitchers could get saves if given the chance. That's why I strongly believe the old "fireman" role was much more valuable than the closer role. The closer waits for the rest of the team to give him a 9th inning lead. But a starting pitcher is instrumental in whether there will be a 9th inning lead for the closer to capitalize on for a save.

[WildwoodDave2]

406D60717667703033020 wrote: I had a discussion with someone today who said he

would rather have Musgrove than Bednar. I said that

Musgrove is 8-2 and Bednar has 16 saves. Bednar could end

up with 30 plus saves. Musgrove could possibly win-16-18 games.

Both made the All Star Team. One pitches every 5 days. One, assuming the game is on the line, can pitch every other day or

back to back days. What do you guys think?
I believe good starting pitchers are more valuable than good closers. Saves are relatively easy to get. You only need to pitch 1 inning and if you have a 2 or 3 run lead you can even be scored upon and still get the save. A lot of pitchers could get saves if given the chance. That's why I strongly believe the old "fireman" role was much more valuable than the closer role. The closer waits for the rest of the team to give him a 9th inning lead. But a starting pitcher is instrumental in whether there will be a 9th inning lead for the closer to capitalize on for a save.
Well stated, but would Musgrove have a similar record with the Bucs? Probably not. Also, the Pirates received 4 players in that deal. I know however, that's not the issue here. Regardless, I respect your position

[Bobster21]

14574E554653425414270 wrote: Suwinski reportedly being optioned tomorrow.



https://twitter.com/MikeDPersak/status/ ... 9927540738
It's time. He's now 0 for his last 29. Maybe pitchers found a weakness and Suwinski needs to adjust. He skipped past AAA so some time there might be good for him.

[fjk090852-7]

0B48514A594C5D4B0B380 wrote: Suwinski reportedly being optioned tomorrow.



https://twitter.com/MikeDPersak/status/ ... 9927540738
I wonder if Swaggerty will be the corresponding move.

[Surgnbuck]

74372E352633223474470 wrote: Suwinski reportedly being optioned tomorrow.



https://twitter.com/MikeDPersak/status/ ... 9927540738
Seems like he's been in a slump forever, but it was only 9 days ago he swatted the 2 run HR against the Yankees

[WildwoodDave2]

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