Off Season Thread

[DemDog]

644944555243541417260 wrote: Pirates DFA OF Troy Stokes Jr.
That didn't last long.


Good move, they got 2 for 1 in this deal! 


They needed a roster spot. Probably hoping he clears waivers and can be outrighted to Indy. But obviously not too concerned if they lose him.




I saw that on MLBTRs Bobster. BC is going all out to load up on prospects, some of which are suspects. If he goes to Indy and has a bit of success maybe he could be filler in another deal to bring in more young players.

[shedman]

It's Brad Hand to the Nationals for a 4. What say you WWD and GW?



The current standings are:



Mets - Stroman(3.5),Williams(1),May(2.5),McCann(2.5),Lindor(4.5)

--Carrascvo(3),Luchesi(1).............................................18

Blue Jays- Dolis(2),Ray(1),Chatwood(2),Yates(3),Springer(5).......16

Padres - O'Grady(.5),Snell(4.5),Kim(1).,Darvish(4.5),Caratini(.5).

--Kim(1.5),Musgrive(2,5),Profar(2)........ 16

Nationals - Harrison(1),Clay(1),Bell(2),Schwarber(3),Lester(2)

--Zimmerman(1),Hand(4)..............................................14

Giants - Vosler(1),Gausman(2),Wisler(2),Desclafini(2.5).................

--Brebbia(1),Casale(2),Wood(1.5)..................................12

Angels-Iglesias(2).Iglesias(3),Claidio(2),Suzuki(1),Quintana(2.5)10.5

Yankees - Britton(3),Kuber(4.5),Taillon(2).................................9.5

Asros - Gurriel(3),Baez(2.5),Brantley(3),Castro(1)......................9.5

Phillies - Neris(3),Alvarado(2.5.)Coonrod(0.5),Bradley(3)..............9

White Sox - Lynn(4),Eaton(2.5),Hendricks(2.5)............................9

Red Sox Renfroe(2),Andriese(2),Perez(2),Richards(3).................9

Rays - Zunino(2),Wacha(2),Mejia(1),Davies(3.5)........................8.5

Braves - Almonte (.5),Tomlin(2),Smyly(3),Morton(2.5)............... 8

Red Sox Renfroe(2),Andriese(2),Perez(2),Hernandez(2)................8

Royals - Minor(2.5),Taylor(1),Holland(3.5)...................................7

Mariners - Graveman(1),Flexen(2),Montero(2),Hernandez(2)..........7

Dodgers Knebel(1),Kahnle(2.5),Treinen(3)................................6.5

Rangers -,Gotto(.5),Dunning(1.5),Lowe(1),Dahl(3),Arihara(.5).....6.5

Indians - Perez(2.5),Gimenez(2),Rosario(1.5).............................6.5

Marlins - Marte(3),Detwiler(1.5),Bass(2)...................................6.5

Cubs - Rizzo(3),Romine(1).........................................................4

Reds - Hoffman-(.5),Ramirez(1.5),Garcia(.5),Perez(1).................3.5

Tigers - Urena(1),Grossman(2)...................................................3

Orioles - Iglesias(2.5)..............................................................2.5

Diamondbacks - Kelly(2)............................................................2

Brewers - Maile(.5),Robertson(1)..............................................1.5

Rockies - Stephenson(.5).........................................................0.5



I hear that Cherington loves the fall. It gives him a chance to sit at home and watch playoff games.

[GreenWeenie]

2.5 for Hand. 



The four other general managers in our division are doing more for us than Cherington has just by not doing much for their own teams.  Thank God for that.



They don't have to. We're in their division.

[shedman]

Adjustment for GW:



The current standings are:



Mets - Stroman(3.5),Williams(1),May(2.5),McCann(2.5),Lindor(4.5)

--Carrascvo(3),Luchesi(1).............................................18

Blue Jays- Dolis(2),Ray(1),Chatwood(2),Yates(3),Springer(5).......16

Padres - O'Grady(.5),Snell(4.5),Kim(1).,Darvish(4.5),Caratini(.5).

--Kim(1.5),Musgrive(2,5),Profar(2)........ 16

Nationals - Harrison(1),Clay(1),Bell(2),Schwarber(3),Lester(2)

--Zimmerman(1),Hand(3.5).........................................13.5

Giants - Vosler(1),Gausman(2),Wisler(2),Desclafini(2.5).................

--Brebbia(1),Casale(2),Wood(1.5)..................................12

Angels-Iglesias(2).Iglesias(3),Claidio(2),Suzuki(1),Quintana(2.5)10.5

Yankees - Britton(3),Kuber(4.5),Taillon(2).................................9.5

Asros - Gurriel(3),Baez(2.5),Brantley(3),Castro(1)......................9.5

Phillies - Neris(3),Alvarado(2.5.)Coonrod(0.5),Bradley(3)..............9

White Sox - Lynn(4),Eaton(2.5),Hendricks(2.5)............................9

Red Sox Renfroe(2),Andriese(2),Perez(2),Richards(3).................9

Rays - Zunino(2),Wacha(2),Mejia(1),Davies(3.5)........................8.5

Braves - Almonte (.5),Tomlin(2),Smyly(3),Morton(2.5)............... 8

Red Sox Renfroe(2),Andriese(2),Perez(2),Hernandez(2)................8

Royals - Minor(2.5),Taylor(1),Holland(3.5)...................................7

Mariners - Graveman(1),Flexen(2),Montero(2),Hernandez(2)..........7

Dodgers Knebel(1),Kahnle(2.5),Treinen(3)................................6.5

Rangers -,Gotto(.5),Dunning(1.5),Lowe(1),Dahl(3),Arihara(.5).....6.5

Indians - Perez(2.5),Gimenez(2),Rosario(1.5).............................6.5

Marlins - Marte(3),Detwiler(1.5),Bass(2)...................................6.5

Cubs - Rizzo(3),Romine(1).........................................................4

Reds - Hoffman-(.5),Ramirez(1.5),Garcia(.5),Perez(1).................3.5

Tigers - Urena(1),Grossman(2)...................................................3

Orioles - Iglesias(2.5)..............................................................2.5

Diamondbacks - Kelly(2)............................................................2

Brewers - Maile(.5),Robertson(1)..............................................1.5

Rockies - Stephenson(.5).........................................................0.5



I hear that Cherington loves the fall. It gives him a chance to sit at home and watch playoff games.

[WildwoodDave2]

455E53525B5758360 wrote: It's Brad Hand to the Nationals for a 4.  What say you WWD and GW?



The current standings are:



Mets - Stroman(3.5),Williams(1),May(2.5),McCann(2.5),Lindor(4.5)

--Carrascvo(3),Luchesi(1).............................................18

Blue Jays- Dolis(2),Ray(1),Chatwood(2),Yates(3),Springer(5).......16

Padres - O'Grady(.5),Snell(4.5),Kim(1).,Darvish(4.5),Caratini(.5).

--Kim(1.5),Musgrive(2,5),Profar(2)........                         16

Nationals - Harrison(1),Clay(1),Bell(2),Schwarber(3),Lester(2)

--Zimmerman(1),Hand(4)..............................................14

Giants - Vosler(1),Gausman(2),Wisler(2),Desclafini(2.5).................

--Brebbia(1),Casale(2),Wood(1.5)..................................12

Angels-Iglesias(2).Iglesias(3),Claidio(2),Suzuki(1),Quintana(2.5)10.5

Yankees - Britton(3),Kuber(4.5),Taillon(2).................................9.5

Asros - Gurriel(3),Baez(2.5),Brantley(3),Castro(1)......................9.5

Phillies - Neris(3),Alvarado(2.5.)Coonrod(0.5),Bradley(3)..............9

White Sox - Lynn(4),Eaton(2.5),Hendricks(2.5)............................9

Red Sox  Renfroe(2),Andriese(2),Perez(2),Richards(3).................9

Rays - Zunino(2),Wacha(2),Mejia(1),Davies(3.5)........................8.5

Braves - Almonte (.5),Tomlin(2),Smyly(3),Morton(2.5)...............  8

Red Sox  Renfroe(2),Andriese(2),Perez(2),Hernandez(2)................8

Royals - Minor(2.5),Taylor(1),Holland(3.5)...................................7

Mariners - Graveman(1),Flexen(2),Montero(2),Hernandez(2)..........7

Dodgers  Knebel(1),Kahnle(2.5),Treinen(3)................................6.5

Rangers -,Gotto(.5),Dunning(1.5),Lowe(1),Dahl(3),Arihara(.5).....6.5

Indians - Perez(2.5),Gimenez(2),Rosario(1.5).............................6.5

Marlins - Marte(3),Detwiler(1.5),Bass(2)...................................6.5            

Cubs - Rizzo(3),Romine(1).........................................................4

Reds - Hoffman-(.5),Ramirez(1.5),Garcia(.5),Perez(1).................3.5

Tigers - Urena(1),Grossman(2)...................................................3

Orioles - Iglesias(2.5)..............................................................2.5

Diamondbacks - Kelly(2)............................................................2

Brewers - Maile(.5),Robertson(1)..............................................1.5

Rockies - Stephenson(.5).........................................................0.5



I hear that Cherington loves the fall.  It gives him a chance to sit at home and watch playoff games.


Brad Hand for a 3-good left handed reliever

[shedman]

Adjustment for WWD:



The current standings are:



Mets - Stroman(3.5),Williams(1),May(2.5),McCann(2.5),Lindor(4.5)

--Carrascvo(3),Luchesi(1).............................................18

Blue Jays- Dolis(2),Ray(1),Chatwood(2),Yates(3),Springer(5).......16

Padres - O'Grady(.5),Snell(4.5),Kim(1).,Darvish(4.5),Caratini(.5).

--Kim(1.5),Musgrive(2,5),Profar(2)........ 16

Nationals - Harrison(1),Clay(1),Bell(2),Schwarber(3),Lester(2)

--Zimmerman(1),Hand(3).............................................13

Giants - Vosler(1),Gausman(2),Wisler(2),Desclafini(2.5).................

--Brebbia(1),Casale(2),Wood(1.5)..................................12

Angels-Iglesias(2).Iglesias(3),Claidio(2),Suzuki(1),Quintana(2.5)10.5

Yankees - Britton(3),Kuber(4.5),Taillon(2).................................9.5

Asros - Gurriel(3),Baez(2.5),Brantley(3),Castro(1)......................9.5

Phillies - Neris(3),Alvarado(2.5.)Coonrod(0.5),Bradley(3)..............9

White Sox - Lynn(4),Eaton(2.5),Hendricks(2.5)............................9

Red Sox Renfroe(2),Andriese(2),Perez(2),Richards(3).................9

Rays - Zunino(2),Wacha(2),Mejia(1),Davies(3.5)........................8.5

Braves - Almonte (.5),Tomlin(2),Smyly(3),Morton(2.5)............... 8

Red Sox Renfroe(2),Andriese(2),Perez(2),Hernandez(2)................8

Royals - Minor(2.5),Taylor(1),Holland(3.5)...................................7

Mariners - Graveman(1),Flexen(2),Montero(2),Hernandez(2)..........7

Dodgers Knebel(1),Kahnle(2.5),Treinen(3)................................6.5

Rangers -,Gotto(.5),Dunning(1.5),Lowe(1),Dahl(3),Arihara(.5).....6.5

Indians - Perez(2.5),Gimenez(2),Rosario(1.5).............................6.5

Marlins - Marte(3),Detwiler(1.5),Bass(2)...................................6.5

Cubs - Rizzo(3),Romine(1).........................................................4

Reds - Hoffman-(.5),Ramirez(1.5),Garcia(.5),Perez(1).................3.5

Tigers - Urena(1),Grossman(2)...................................................3

Orioles - Iglesias(2.5)..............................................................2.5

Diamondbacks - Kelly(2)............................................................2

Brewers - Maile(.5),Robertson(1)..............................................1.5

Rockies - Stephenson(.5).........................................................0.5



I hear that Cherington loves the fall. It gives him a chance to sit at home and watch playoff games.

[WildwoodDave2]

337069726174657333000 wrote: Yankees send Ottavino and a minor leaguer to Boston.




Very good article By Paul Zeise in Monday's PG about the Pirates. Shedman and Weenie might throw up!! Did I get your attention? ;D ;D

[WildwoodDave2]

46787D75667E7E755570677423110 wrote: Yankees send Ottavino and a minor leaguer to Boston.




Very good article By Paul Zeise in Monday's PG about the Pirates. Shedman and Weenie might throw up!! Did I get your attention? ;D ;D


I have always liked Paul Zeise- don't always agree with him but he is a straight shooter. Be interested in some your comments from the article

[Bobster21]

7E3D243F2C39283E7E4D0 wrote: "The Pirates haven’t 'dumped salaries' in trading away Josh Bell, Joe Musgrove and Jameson Taillon." - PG



But they have dumped those salaries?  Musgrove was dumped three days after agreeing to a salary figure.  Those salaries aren't on the books now as they were before. 
The question is not whether salaries of traded players came off the books. Obviously they did. The term "salary dump" suggests motive. Were those trades made for the purpose of getting those salaries off the books? Or were they made in an attempt to use established players with MLB salaries as trading chips to acquire prospects to rebuild the organization? It's a fair debate to have. But I don't think it's fair to label every trade a salary dump merely because the salary went with the player.

[GreenWeenie]

5866636B7860606B4B6E796A3D0F0 wrote: Yankees send Ottavino and a minor leaguer to Boston.




Very good article By Paul Zeise in Monday's PG about the Pirates. Shedman and Weenie might throw up!! Did I get your attention? ;D ;D


I dont subscribe to the PG. I read the Trib because I'm not required to register. I'll read it if someone sends it.



Not sure what anyone can write about the franchise's way that all of us don't already know, but I'll allow for the possibility.