Game Thread - 6/17 - Pirates vs. Giants

3pirates3 · Post by **3pirates3** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 12:57 am

417F7A72617979725277607324160 wrote:

Vieaux= who is this guy?

2016 6th round pick.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... eaux000cam

https://www.milb.com/news/cam-vieaux-co ... rough-2020

Bobster21 · Post by **Bobster21** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 1:49 am

The HP ump has been awful all night for both teams. Everything in the vicinity of the plate is a strike.

WildwoodDave2 · Post by **WildwoodDave2** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 2:00 am

quick game tonight

Giants 2 runs

Bucs 2 hits

Equals 2-0 loss

WildwoodDave2 · Post by **WildwoodDave2** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 2:01 am

75362F342732233575460 wrote:

Vieaux= who is this guy?

2016 6th round pick.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... eaux000cam

https://www.milb.com/news/cam-vieaux-co ... rough-2020
Thank you- he looked good in his debut

Bobster21 · Post by **Bobster21** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 1:21 pm

The Pirates are last in the NL in runs, BA, OBP, SLG and OPS. And they have the fewest hits in all of MLB. That's not a slump. It's a roster without even the potential for hitting. Batting averages indicate the frequency with which a batter generally can be counted on to hit safely. Hayes, Reynolds and Chavis are respectable in that area, as is Gamel (and maybe Marcano) when healthy. Every other position player on the roster is at .212 or less. Those are not slumps. Those are struggling rookies getting their feet wet vs MLB pitching (Suwinski, Castillo, Mitchell, Park) and others who have been around but never been able to hit well (Vogelbach, Chang, Perez, Heineman).

Vogelbach is actually ahead of his career BA of .209. So even maintaining his .212 BA might be a stretch. Suwinski has badly needed power but at .211, that's too many outs between HRs. He's having to adjust to MLB pitching without ever having faced AAA pitching. At least there's hope for him, and maybe Mitchell. But most don't even show potential to hit well. On any given day there are usually only 2 or 3 players in the lineup with a reasonable chance of getting a hit. That leaves 6 or 7 automatic outs. They are averaging 3.3 runs per game and have topped 4 runs just 17 times in 63 games (27%). Unless the roster is significantly revamped, there is not even the potential for more offense.

GreenWeenie · Post by **GreenWeenie** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 1:27 pm

Cherington made this bed. I said it when he did it. He gave away the offense we had.

As we know, it's up to him to do something about it. Someday.

Bobster21 · Post by **Bobster21** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 2:12 pm

6B5E4949427B49494245492C0 wrote: Cherington made this bed. I said it when he did it. He gave away the offense we had.

As we know, it's up to him to do something about it. Someday.

I'm ok with rookies trying to adjust to a higher level of pitching. Few set the world on fire at first so that's to be expected. Those are growing pains that come with rebuilding. But that doesn't excuse supplementing them with Vogelbach, Chang, the nonhitting catchers, VanMeter and Marisnick. Nor does it excuse them from consistently playing a fringe rookie like Castillo when Cruz is tearing it up in AAA.

GreenWeenie · Post by **GreenWeenie** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 2:17 pm

I'm OK with winning.

I dont care who does the winning.