Pham and Mazya or Mayza

[Babe Adams]

I don't think Huntington signed anyone multi-year until Russell Martin in the 2012-13 offseason, after Huntington had been in place for five full seasons. They had a pretty good nucleus together by then, but no internal options at catcher - Rod Barajas and Michael McKenry had caught literally every inning in 2012.

Edit: I want to walk this back a bit. They gave Clint Barmes 2 years, $10 million going into the 2012 season. Similar situation to the Martin signing - Ronny Cedeno hadn't been good, and no one at Indy was ready. They also gave 2 years to Ramon Vazquez going into 2009.

[icantwatch2]

I forgot we traded for Spencer Horowitz. That might be a good addition. I liked Ortiz but a first baseman, which we haven’t seen since….Who….Bob Robertson???

[Doc]

I don't think Huntington signed anyone multi-year until Russell Martin in the 2012-13 offseason, after Huntington had been in place for five full seasons. They had a pretty good nucleus together by then, but no internal options at catcher - Rod Barajas and Michael McKenry had caught literally every inning in 2012.

Edit: I want to walk this back a bit. They gave Clint Barmes 2 years, $10 million going into the 2012 season. Similar situation to the Martin signing - Ronny Cedeno hadn't been good, and no one at Indy was ready. They also gave 2 years to Ramon Vazquez going into 2009.

Ronny Cedeno, in contention for my winner of the "Most Despised Pirate" award.

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I don't think Huntington signed anyone multi-year until Russell Martin in the 2012-13 offseason, after Huntington had been in place for five full seasons. They had a pretty good nucleus together by then, but no internal options at catcher - Rod Barajas and Michael McKenry had caught literally every inning in 2012.

Edit: I want to walk this back a bit. They gave Clint Barmes 2 years, $10 million going into the 2012 season. Similar situation to the Martin signing - Ronny Cedeno hadn't been good, and no one at Indy was ready. They also gave 2 years to Ramon Vazquez going into 2009.

Ronny Cedeno, in contention for my winner of the "Most Despised Pirate" award.
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I would put Jogging George as my Most Despised Pirate. Even Ray Quinones would be above Cedeno on my list.

[fjk090852-7]

It is early, but Pham did not hit well in ST, and currently he has two hits, with an average of.087. He was not on my wish list for outfielders to pursue, and so far he has been a bust. If his lack of hitting continues, it will be tough to keep him in the lineup on a daily basis.

[Doc]

It is early, but Pham did not hit well in ST, and currently he has two hits, with an average of.087. He was not on my wish list for outfielders to pursue, and so far he has been a bust. If his lack of hitting continues, it will be tough to keep him in the lineup on a daily basis.

Canario has to be inserted into Pham's spot in the order and be told the job is his. If after 10 days he's performing well, Pham should be released. It doesn't matter that he's owed a lot of money, he has to be paid whether he's here or not. It'd be a positive if he were gone because it would keep Shelton from putting him in the line-up.

[Ecbucs]

It is early, but Pham did not hit well in ST, and currently he has two hits, with an average of.087. He was not on my wish list for outfielders to pursue, and so far he has been a bust. If his lack of hitting continues, it will be tough to keep him in the lineup on a daily basis.

Canario has to be inserted into Pham's spot in the order and be told the job is his. If after 10 days he's performing well, Pham should be released. It doesn't matter that he's owed a lot of money, he has to be paid whether he's here or not. It'd be a positive if he were gone because it would keep Shelton from putting him in the line-up.

makes sense, finding out about Canario and Suwinksi are a lot more important than Tommy Pham. Let Tommy be the fourth outfielder for a while. I can go longer than ten days unless a roster spot is needed. Frazier and Pham could turn out to be decent pinch hitters - at least better than Abraham Nunez.

[Doc]

It is early, but Pham did not hit well in ST, and currently he has two hits, with an average of.087. He was not on my wish list for outfielders to pursue, and so far he has been a bust. If his lack of hitting continues, it will be tough to keep him in the lineup on a daily basis.

Canario has to be inserted into Pham's spot in the order and be told the job is his. If after 10 days he's performing well, Pham should be released. It doesn't matter that he's owed a lot of money, he has to be paid whether he's here or not. It'd be a positive if he were gone because it would keep Shelton from putting him in the line-up.

makes sense, finding out about Canario and Suwinksi are a lot more important than Tommy Pham. Let Tommy be the fourth outfielder for a while. I can go longer than ten days unless a roster spot is needed. Frazier and Pham could turn out to be decent pinch hitters - at least better than Abraham Nunez.

You just made me feel better. Knowing that Abraham Nunez is not on this team makes me realize we're not as bad off as I thought.

As long as Frazier (after Gonzales's return) remains almost exclusively as a pinch hitter and maybe an occasional Sunday line-up addition, I could live with him staying, although I don't prefer it. As for Pham, I just see him being in the way of younger guys who need the at bats and playing time.

[fjk090852-7]

I wasn’t excited when the Pirates signed Tommy Pham, but he was totally involved with two of the three wins the Pirates had on the recent home stand. A walkoff hit on Sunday, and a great throw to nail a runner at home, and a game tying rbi in extra innings yesterday. He was clutch in both those games.

[Doc]

I wasn’t excited when the Pirates signed Tommy Pham, but he was totally involved with two of the three wins the Pirates had on the recent home stand. A walkoff hit on Sunday, and a great throw to nail a runner at home, and a game tying rbi in extra innings yesterday. He was clutch in both those games.

It's great that Pham made those contributions. Helping one's team win is the ultimate goal. But the problem with Pham being on the team remains the same: he's not part of the future. Heck, he may not even be here as soon as August 1. Him helping to win games in what's destined to be another throw-away season is wasting opportunities for younger players. Because the Front Office did nothing to improve the team for this season, shouldn't Cherington be using these 162 games to see who among those young players will be able win games over the next five years instead? Or is Pham's being on the team just another glaring admission that there is no young guy ready to step in? If so, that's even worse.

I can see the benefit of a veteran taking a roster spot on a team that's ready to compete for the playoffs. His experiences and guidance can be instrumental in helping a young team get over the hump. But having him take playing time this season away from guys who need it is just giving away precious time.