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How many contracts of 3 or more years have turned out badly? ( where player is dumped to save money or money is eaten)

José Tabata, Liriano, Charlie Morton.

Is that it so far?



Cervelli's could be bad, as well as Polanco.

Reasons for so few could be that l have forgotten some, the Buds don't sign many players for three years or longer, or NH and company are good in deciding when to negotiate deals of 3 years or more

There aren't many. That is one thing Huntington does well. But it is also a crutch where they don't take a risk either.



Tabata didn't live up to is contract, but he was still underpaid as a starting outfielder. Liriano turned out bad, but he was moved. I wouldn't say Polanco...yet. If he duplicates his 2016 season, he will be worth it.



Cervelli is headed that way. Harrison is playing well again. Not many bad contracts at all.

I would be concerned about the Cervelli concussion issue. He may be headed to Jaso territory.

In terms of 'Really' bad contracts, the Pirates have had close to none in recent years. The main reason is because the Pirates typically do not offer significant multi-year deals to folks over 30, and because the Bucs have not locked up even younger players who were approaching free agency in career deals (e.g. Joey Votto).



Even the bad longer term contracts the Pirates have entered were not really 'that' bad compared to those issued by many other teams.



For example, Liriano was signed to a 3 year deal for $39 mil. He delivered more value than the cost of the deal in 2015, but then fell off last year and the Pirates worked to shed his contract for 2 months of 2016 and all of 2017. If he keeps pitching like he is now, he will finish the season with about 10 wins and generally being available to take the ball most starts. In current salary structures, that is now worth at least $10 mil a year.



Polanco, Marte, Harrison, Cutch, and the like were all signed to deals in which the Pirates will have received quite a few years of cheap contracts before the cost gets even remotely costly.



Perhaps Morton was a bad deal, but the Astros turned around and offered him as much as the Pirates were paying him on a bad deal even though he basically had not pitched for a while.



With the Pirates, every 'misallocated' dollar has an exaggerated impact. While the Bucs have not received as much production as they had hoped from some players, many of the Pirates' bad contracts are the equivalent of a distraction to many clubs. For example, most teams wouldn't worry too much about signing Jaso for 2 years and $8 mil.

1A363E393215223424570 wrote: In terms of 'Really' bad contracts, the Pirates have had close to none in recent years.  The main reason is because the Pirates typically do not offer significant multi-year deals to folks over 30, and because the Bucs have not locked up even younger players who were approaching free agency in career deals (e.g. Joey Votto). 



Even the bad longer term contracts the Pirates have entered were not really 'that' bad compared to those issued by many other teams. 



For example, Liriano was signed to a 3 year deal for $39 mil.  He delivered more value than the cost of the deal in 2015, but then fell off last year and the Pirates worked to shed his contract for 2 months of 2016 and all of 2017.  If he keeps pitching like he is now, he will finish the season with about 10 wins and generally being available to take the ball most starts.  In current salary structures, that is now worth at least $10 mil a year.



Polanco, Marte, Harrison, Cutch, and the like were all signed to deals in which the Pirates will have received quite a few years of cheap contracts before the cost gets even remotely costly.



Perhaps Morton was a bad deal, but the Astros turned around and offered him as much as the Pirates were paying him on a bad deal even though he basically had not pitched for a while. 



With the Pirates, every 'misallocated' dollar has an exaggerated impact.  While the Bucs have not received as much production as they had hoped from some players, many of the Pirates' bad contracts are the equivalent of a distraction to many clubs.  For example, most teams wouldn't worry too much about signing Jaso for 2 years and $8 mil. 


This is absolutely spot on. The Pirates have not had a bad contract in MLB standards.