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August 17 and the Pirate's future this season does not look very bright.



Lose 2 to the Brewers, 4 games against the Cards who are playing better, and then the juggernaut; the Dodgers.



So --- if the Bucs lose games against the Cards, do you believe there is anyone that the Pirates could move that could yield a return? About the only one I could see would be Nicassio.



Very disappointing games against the Brewers.

At this point I would think only Nicassio, and him only because he's short term. I think they hold the rest until the off-season.

6E424A4D4661564050230 wrote:  About the only one I could see would be Nicassio.   

 

   


Yeah, I think flipping relievers is very deep in NH's DNA.

I'm guessing most teams have already placed anyone they'd be willing to part with on revocable waivers. We've already heard that Stanton cleared. I'd guess Nicasio, Jaso, Stewart, LeBlanc, Hudson, Benoit.

022F22333425327271400 wrote: I'm guessing most teams have already placed anyone they'd be willing to part with on revocable waivers. We've already heard that Stanton cleared. I'd guess Nicasio, Jaso, Stewart, LeBlanc, Hudson, Benoit.


and it is unlikely any of these guys get claimed except for Nicasio. I think the Bucs would let everyone but Nicasio go for nothing.

Nicasio is on a 1yr/3 mil deal.   A 2.85 ERA pen pitcher owed about 750k the rest of the way isn't going to clear waivers   



We would get something for him from whoever claimed after we revoke, but not going to be what we would have had July 31st, that's for sure



There's no good reason not to do it now, though.   It's likely coming. 



I think there's a good chance Cutch is dealt this offseason too.   If everything goes right, we may have an average offense next year.  Since we signed SRod to share 3b with Freese next year, we won't be signing a legit  3bman. 



Signing a legit 3bman and using Kang as a backup if he gets here was going to be the possible offensive addition that boosted run production.   



Now, it's pray for Kangs visa.   We won't be adding starting position players unless Cutch or someone else is traded off. There are no starting holes to fill in NHs eyes....unless one is made

707971606E140 wrote: Nicasio is on a 1yr/3 mil deal.   A 2.85 ERA pen pitcher owed about 750k the rest of the way isn't going to clear waivers   



We would get something for him from whoever claimed after we revoke, but not going to be what we would have had July 31st, that's for sure



There's no good reason not to do it now, though.   It's likely coming. 



I think there's a good chance Cutch is dealt this offseason too.   If everything goes right, we may have an average offense next year.  Since we signed SRod to share 3b with Freese next year, we won't be signing a legit  3bman. 



Signing a legit 3bman and using Kang as a backup if he gets here was going to be the possible offensive addition that boosted run production.   



Now, it's pray for Kangs visa.   We won't be adding starting position players unless Cutch is traded for someone


Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think a deal can be made unless a players clears waivers. If he's claimed and then revoked, he didn't clear and no deal can be made.

012C21303726317172430 wrote: Nicasio is on a 1yr/3 mil deal.   A 2.85 ERA pen pitcher owed about 750k the rest of the way isn't going to clear waivers   



We would get something for him from whoever claimed after we revoke, but not going to be what we would have had July 31st, that's for sure



There's no good reason not to do it now, though.   It's likely coming. 



I think there's a good chance Cutch is dealt this offseason too.   If everything goes right, we may have an average offense next year.  Since we signed SRod to share 3b with Freese next year, we won't be signing a legit  3bman. 



Signing a legit 3bman and using Kang as a backup if he gets here was going to be the possible offensive addition that boosted run production.   



Now, it's pray for Kangs visa.   We won't be adding starting position players unless Cutch is traded for someone


Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think a deal can be made unless a players clears waivers. If he's claimed and then revoked, he didn't clear and no deal can be made.


I thought you could make a deal with the team that makes the claim. The Bucs claimed Kontos and SF let him go for nothing but they could have negotiated to get something back.

517776617767140 wrote: Nicasio is on a 1yr/3 mil deal.   A 2.85 ERA pen pitcher owed about 750k the rest of the way isn't going to clear waivers   



We would get something for him from whoever claimed after we revoke, but not going to be what we would have had July 31st, that's for sure



There's no good reason not to do it now, though.   It's likely coming. 



I think there's a good chance Cutch is dealt this offseason too.   If everything goes right, we may have an average offense next year.  Since we signed SRod to share 3b with Freese next year, we won't be signing a legit  3bman. 



Signing a legit 3bman and using Kang as a backup if he gets here was going to be the possible offensive addition that boosted run production.   



Now, it's pray for Kangs visa.   We won't be adding starting position players unless Cutch is traded for someone


Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think a deal can be made unless a players clears waivers. If he's claimed and then revoked, he didn't clear and no deal can be made.


I thought you could make a deal with the team that makes the claim.  The Bucs claimed Kontos and SF let him go for nothing but they could have negotiated to get something back.
Yes, you're right. I just looked it up.

• Once a player is claimed, his team faces three options. It can pull the player back and keep him, negotiate a trade with the claiming team or let the player go. In the last scenario, the claiming team takes full responsibility for the player's remaining salary. If the two sides decide to work out a trade, they have two days to do so.

Right. The claiming team can scratch something together and offer it to the waiving team in return for not revoking the waiver. But that's all they're competing against, no other team can trade for him at this time.



If the claiming team doesn't offer enough to the waiving team, the waiving team can just revoke the player and keep him.



However... once the waiving team has revoked the player once, if they wish to try to trade the same player again they must expose him to waivers again.



This time, they cannot revoke the waiver. Whoever claims him wins him and his salary. If nobody claims him, he clears waivers and he can be freely traded with 29 other teams.