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Pirate's Window of Winning had very little to do with Cutch
Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:15 pm
by ChitownBucco
Sad to see him go, wish him well and hope he has an MVP year so he can make up the potential hundreds of millions he lost by signing a contract extension a year early.
Pirate's Window of Winning had very little to do with Cutch
Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:18 pm
by ChitownBucco
that said.
there was no where near as big of a correlation with the Pirates finally breaking .500 and returning to the playoffs and Cutch reaching Prime.
go back and revisit 2013 stats.
Pirates were mid pack in offense.
they won in HUGE part due to ridiculous variance by no name scrap heap reclamation project pitchers and young guys.
Pirate's Window of Winning had very little to do with Cutch
Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:21 pm
by ChitownBucco
here are the main reasons the Bucs started a window of winning in 2013
Mark Melancon
Ryan Reid
Stolmy Pimentel
Brandon Cumpton
Justin Wilson
Tony Watson
Jason Grilli
Vin Mazzaro
Francisco Liriano
Gerrit Cole
Charlie Morton
A.J. Burnett
Jeanmar Gomez
Bryan Morris
Jeff Locke
Wandy Rodriguez
http://www.espn.com/mlb/team/stats/pitc ... /year/2013
Pirate's Window of Winning had very little to do with Cutch
Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:49 pm
by Ecbucs
507B7A677C647D516670707C130 wrote: here are the main reasons the Bucs started a window of winning in 2013
Mark Melancon
Ryan Reid
Stolmy Pimentel
Brandon Cumpton
Justin Wilson
Tony Watson
Jason Grilli
Vin Mazzaro
Francisco Liriano
Gerrit Cole
Charlie Morton
A.J. Burnett
Jeanmar Gomez
Bryan Morris
Jeff Locke
Wandy Rodriguez
http://www.espn.com/mlb/team/stats/pitc ... /year/2013
well there are 16 pitchers named vs. one Cutch. They should have more of an impact.
Pirate's Window of Winning had very little to do with Cutch
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:07 am
by notes34
7C57564B5048517D4A5C5C503F0 wrote: here are the main reasons the Bucs started a window of winning in 2013
Mark Melancon
Ryan Reid
Stolmy Pimentel
Brandon Cumpton
Justin Wilson
Tony Watson
Jason Grilli
Vin Mazzaro
Francisco Liriano
Gerrit Cole
Charlie Morton
A.J. Burnett
Jeanmar Gomez
Bryan Morris
Jeff Locke
Wandy Rodriguez
http://www.espn.com/mlb/team/stats/pitc ... /year/2013
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Pirate's Window of Winning had very little to do with Cutch
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:37 am
by skinnyhorse
446F6E736870694572646468070 wrote: here are the main reasons the Bucs started a window of winning in 2013
Mark Melancon
Ryan Reid
Stolmy Pimentel
Brandon Cumpton
Justin Wilson
Tony Watson
Jason Grilli
Vin Mazzaro
Francisco Liriano
Gerrit Cole
Charlie Morton
A.J. Burnett
Jeanmar Gomez
Bryan Morris
Jeff Locke
Wandy Rodriguez
http://www.espn.com/mlb/team/stats/pitc ... /year/2013
I couldn't disagree more, most of the players on this list were awful and had very litte to do with bucs contending. On the other hand Cutch had everything to do with it.
Pirate's Window of Winning had very little to do with Cutch
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:51 am
by ChitownBucco
they were awful in general
but not in those years, and not in 2013 for sure
if the Pirates pitching isn't as amazing out of nowhere as it was in 2013. Cutch is just another Jason Bay or Brian Giles on a mediocre team. Next best position player in 2013 was Pedro Alvarez
they caught lightning in a bottle with a bunch of fluke career years from junk pitchers.
look at the stats. they had 6 main starters (at least 10 starts)and the highest ERA among them was 3.59 that is astounding.
Pirate's Window of Winning had very little to do with Cutch
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:37 am
by dmetz
143F3E233820391522343438570 wrote: they were awful in general
but not in those years, and not in 2013 for sure
if the Pirates pitching isn't as amazing out of nowhere as it was in 2013. Cutch is just another Jason Bay or Brian Giles on a mediocre team. Next best position player in 2013 was Pedro Alvarez
they caught lightning in a bottle with a bunch of fluke career years from junk pitchers.
look at the stats. they had 6 main starters (at least 10 starts)and the highest ERA among them was 3.59 that is astounding.
That's an interesting opinion. Marte, Russ Martin, and possibly Walker were all better position players than Pedro in 2013. So that makes Pedro undoubtedly Fourth most valuable and possibly 5th depending on the stats used.
Not to mention Cutch put up an 8.5WAR and 15% k rate.
It's takes a talented baseball mind to discredit the contribution of super-elite performance like that. That's not Jason Bay or Giles, that's Barry Bonds