OnlyBucs

Nobody is blaming YOU for overhyping Glasnow. There's nobody here who believes you have any control or influence over anything.



They're blaming NH for not being prepared with quality starting pitching and "the plan" (goals always moving, mind you) to be so inept and hopeless as to depend on Glasnow not only succeeding, bit being GOOD immediately.



You so align yourself with NH, that you post as if people are blaming you! If you want to take on the ROLE of NH here, go for it, but don't then go around whining when you're attacked.



One of the HUGE problems you have is your continued propensity to blame the fans. Nobody is blaming you, we know you're powerless, but you're constantly trying to blame US!



You just talked about believing the hype being what's wrong with Glasnow. It's not Glasnows fault (the player), it's not the Pirates fault (the decision-maker), it's the fans and scouts fault for hyping him!



Does that mean in your mind, when the fans and scouts are right, they get credit and not NH? Since NH avoids blame in your mind, when the "hype" is wrong?

I am not a fan of Huntington right now. Not sure how many times I have to say that but some think I am him or his biggest fan.



I am not a fan based on his drafting, talent evaluation, and the Kang situation. I hated starting Glasnow too. Others don't like him because he won't tell anyone his plan or what he says. Sorry, I have a hard time believing the generic GM speak every team says (again, did you watch the Winter Meetings?) or rumored non-traded.



Don't you want to add and bring in a 3B and bullpen arms? When I say it, it is so unrealistic and I get attacked.



I do give Huntington the benefit of the doubt. I think he deserves it after ending all the losing. I will defend him or anyone when I feel the critisism is not fair. People like to talk about the negatives so much more than the positives. Sorry, for being a positive person.

No, Im right with you on a few things recently:



1) Cole.  If he's traded, the whole thing needs to be disbanded and a full selloff should occur. I don't think NH should be the man doing it, but selling off is a viable (and likely) plan.



2)need an impact 3rd baseman and we do need bullpen help.   I don't think that's enough, I think we need a starter too, but I'm not going to quibble over those details.   The 3rd baseman has to be a big acquisition and the time is now.   I'll quibble about the starter after we get the big 3rd baseman.



In other words, there are not totally irrational arguments against getting a solid starter IF we land a big 3bman.    But there's no chance in h3ll this team is going anywhere without a big impact bat being added to this lineup.   So 3b and bullpen is an absolute must.   Or move Jhay to 3b and get a big bat 2bman (more difficult to find) 

There are 3 paths. 



1) Sell off.   This is very stressful and risky because NH will actually have to make huge, immediately impactful and measurable decisions.   He HATES that.  The fans hate this one, the fans that think they're GMs like this one because prospects are always the next Bonds, Bob likes this one alot!



2) go get what we need.    This is very stressful and risky, because NH will actually have to make huge, immediately impactful and measurable decisions.  He HATES that.  BOB hates this one too, because it immediately spends the lump sum 25mil of the 50 mil 2018 revenue increase and he would rather (enter anything other than spend on ML payroll here). The fans LOVE this one, the fans who think theyre GMs are generally opposed to this one because the 2022 WS team they have all figured out on paper is being risked



3) do very little, hope and pray.  This is the path of least resistance and risk.   Pretend that you're trying to do #1 or #2, leak some stories etc..  yeah sign a pen guy or maybe a marginal guy for $10 mil, fully realizing you're getting 1/3 of that back when you trade Cutch etc..  put out the normal PR.  Bob is ok with this one.  The fans don't like this, but don't hate it.  The fans who think they are GMs don't like this one, but are standing by to buy into the company line



75% chance of #3.   But you better believe I'm hoping for #2!!!

I agree dmetz. Been saying all of that for months now. I hope you don't get personally attacked for that outrageous opinion.

707971606E140 wrote: There are 3 paths. 



1) Sell off.   This is very stressful and risky because NH will actually have to make huge, immediately impactful and measurable decisions.   He HATES that.  The fans hate this one, the fans that think they're GMs like this one because prospects are always the next Bonds, Bob likes this one alot!



2) go get what we need.    This is very stressful and risky, because NH will actually have to make huge, immediately impactful and measurable decisions.  He HATES that.  BOB hates this one too, because it immediately spends the lump sum 25mil of the 50 mil 2018 revenue increase and he would rather (enter anything other than spend on ML payroll here). The fans LOVE this one, the fans who think theyre GMs are generally opposed to this one because the 2022 WS team they have all figured out on paper is being risked



3) do very little, hope and pray.  This is the path of least resistance and risk.   Pretend that you're trying to do #1 or #2, leak some stories etc..  yeah sign a pen guy or maybe a marginal guy for $10 mil, fully realizing you're getting 1/3 of that back when you trade Cutch etc..  put out the normal PR.  Bob is ok with this one.  The fans don't like this, but don't hate it.  The fans who think they are GMs don't like this one, but are standing by to buy into the company line



75% chance of #3.   But you better believe I'm hoping for #2!!!
#1 would be an admission that the previous plan, which was to become competitive and stay competitive, was a failure and that the same people who failed the first time are going to try to get it right this time. That would not be popular, nor would it inspire confidence that they could do it.



#2 would be the exact opposite of how this regime operates. They seldom go out and get. They make do. When they do go out and get, it's generally a reclamation project. They've had some success with that. It's cheaper but risky because there's no guarantee a need is being adequately filled.



#3 is how this regime operates. They sell the idea that the failures can be explained away and that they are always oh so close. NH already said that Rodriguez was obtained because Kang isn't expected back. So much for going out and getting a big bat for 3B. They need BP help. Where's the next Daniel Hudson to be obtained coming off 2 TJ surgeries and a bad year?



I wish I could be optimistic at this point that they will change how they do business. Because then my disappointment would be delayed until the opening day roster was revealed and I stopped kidding myself. But we've seen how they operate and there's no reason to expect a radical change.

424B43525C260 wrote: There are 3 paths. 



1) Sell off.   This is very stressful and risky because NH will actually have to make huge, immediately impactful and measurable decisions.   He HATES that.  The fans hate this one, the fans that think they're GMs like this one because prospects are always the next Bonds, Bob likes this one alot!



2) go get what we need.    This is very stressful and risky, because NH will actually have to make huge, immediately impactful and measurable decisions.  He HATES that.  BOB hates this one too, because it immediately spends the lump sum 25mil of the 50 mil 2018 revenue increase and he would rather (enter anything other than spend on ML payroll here). The fans LOVE this one, the fans who think theyre GMs are generally opposed to this one because the 2022 WS team they have all figured out on paper is being risked



3) do very little, hope and pray.  This is the path of least resistance and risk.   Pretend that you're trying to do #1 or #2, leak some stories etc..  yeah sign a pen guy or maybe a marginal guy for $10 mil, fully realizing you're getting 1/3 of that back when you trade Cutch etc..  put out the normal PR.  Bob is ok with this one.  The fans don't like this, but don't hate it.  The fans who think they are GMs don't like this one, but are standing by to buy into the company line



75% chance of #3.   But you better believe I'm hoping for #2!!!


In all reality, we should go full Marlins, or White Sox of a year ago.  I see #3 being the cause unfortunately and that gets us what?  A losing record and at best 4th in our division.  Then you go into 2019 with Cutch gone; one more year of Cole before he turns into a free agent ... #3 is the worst of the three options, but seems like its the Pirates MO.

486568797E6F78383B0A0 wrote: There are 3 paths. 



1) Sell off.   This is very stressful and risky because NH will actually have to make huge, immediately impactful and measurable decisions.   He HATES that.  The fans hate this one, the fans that think they're GMs like this one because prospects are always the next Bonds, Bob likes this one alot!



2) go get what we need.    This is very stressful and risky, because NH will actually have to make huge, immediately impactful and measurable decisions.  He HATES that.  BOB hates this one too, because it immediately spends the lump sum 25mil of the 50 mil 2018 revenue increase and he would rather (enter anything other than spend on ML payroll here). The fans LOVE this one, the fans who think theyre GMs are generally opposed to this one because the 2022 WS team they have all figured out on paper is being risked



3) do very little, hope and pray.  This is the path of least resistance and risk.   Pretend that you're trying to do #1 or #2, leak some stories etc..  yeah sign a pen guy or maybe a marginal guy for $10 mil, fully realizing you're getting 1/3 of that back when you trade Cutch etc..  put out the normal PR.  Bob is ok with this one.  The fans don't like this, but don't hate it.  The fans who think they are GMs don't like this one, but are standing by to buy into the company line



75% chance of #3.   But you better believe I'm hoping for #2!!!
#1 would be an admission that the previous plan, which was to become competitive and stay competitive, was a failure and that the same people who failed the first time are going to try to get it right this time. That would not be popular, nor would it inspire confidence that they could do it.



#2 would be the exact opposite of how this regime operates. They seldom go out and get. They make do. When they do go out and get, it's generally a reclamation project. They've had some success with that. It's cheaper but risky because there's no guarantee a need is being adequately filled. 



#3 is how this regime operates. They sell the idea that the failures can be explained away and that they are always oh so close. NH already said that Rodriguez was obtained because Kang isn't expected back. So much for going out and getting a big bat for 3B. They need BP help. Where's the next Daniel Hudson to be obtained coming off 2 TJ surgeries and a bad year?



I wish I could be optimistic at this point that they will change how they do business. Because then my disappointment would be delayed until the opening day roster was revealed and I stopped kidding myself. But we've seen how they operate and there's no reason to expect a radical change. 




Dmetz and Bobster you've both done a really insightful job of summarizing and analyzing how this off-season might play out! Kudos to you both!



I confess to being partial to option #1 (the sell off) simply for the fact that I'd find it more enjoyable to watch young talent develop at almost every position. It's a process I find interesting, and it has the added benefit of generally not being dependent on payroll (or lack thereof) to see improvement.

4249414D4849521711665F474E4949084549260 wrote: Huntington is the biggest liar to some. The Pirates over hype or over project their players to some. But then Huntington is believed when it fits certain agendas??  Or I say it...ha ha. So funny to me. Can't have it both ways.



I don't think the Pirates hyped Glasnow like they did to other players. And no way would I put blame on a 23 year old.


What I (and suspect others) know to be 100% true:



1. Dogknot has started multiple defenses of the Pirates with the following lines



“NH just said.....”



or



“Didn’t you hear when NH said.....”



2. Dogknot clearly bought into and perpetuated the hype about Glasnow. It was part of his defense for the Pirates starting the 2016 season with a questionable starting rotation. He claimed it would not be wise to acquire or spend for better pitchers as both Taillon and Glasnow would be up in June.



Theses are facts. Dogknot will claim otherwise as it’s his thing. But I know differently.




I thought you were done replying to my posts? Or was it that I'm not allowed to reply to yours? I forget.



I certainly didn't want Glasnow in the rotation to start the 2017 season. I was against that move. I have never linked Taillon and Glasnow together.



I've been critical of Huntington lately. I'm not happy with his moves the last two years. Just because I understand them doesn't mean I was happy. I realize that is hard for you and others to understand.



I've been critical of Huntington's drafting. I even started a thread back in June (Impact Rookies) about that topic. Then you write some long thread about it. Ha ha. You also agreed with me in that thread. Ha ha.



You don't have to acknowledge me in any thread. You and your groupies don't have to agree either. I just don't know why you and your groupies feel you have to go out of your way to insult me? Does that make you feel better? One more thing, how come you don't blast the people that agree with me? Someone always agrees with me. (Sorry, IABuc, I hope you don't get bullied like I do by agreeing with me)


You just don’t get it. My issue has nothing to do with a differing opinion. My issue with you is how you express your opinions with flat out lies and dishonesty. My previous post perfectly illustrates how you do it. If the old board were still around and it was permissible, I’d quote your contradictions and lies. Fortunately I don’t believe I need to to prove the point.

Ha ha...it's not that we differ in opinion but in how we differ? Old board?? Ha ha. Ok, dude.



Steal more ideas from people and sell them as your own. Maybe even make up quotes from others to try to get some point across? Ha ha. Unreal. People have caught onto your game. Ha ha.