725F52434455420201300 wrote: Just a thought about Cole. This is his 5th MLB season. He is a hard thrower with a FB in the high 90s. Just in the past 5 years, that has become much more prevalent. Even Chad Kuhl can make that same claim now, which he wasn't doing just a year ago. Chapman currently has a 4.14 ERA. Rivero's ERA for August is 5.63. HRs and Ks are up this year as batters are adjusting to the faster pitching which is becoming the new normal and selling out on the fastball. The advantage Cole had a couple years ago as one of the hardest throwers seems gone now. He's just another guy throwing in the high 90s and getting hit around by batters who've adjusted. Maybe he needs to become more of a pitcher and less of a thrower.
You might be on to something. Interesting.
On Chapman, I wonder if the World Series last year really hurt him? Chapman isn't closing anymore on a regular basis. He came into the game in the sixth inning over the weekend.
8/21--Dodgers
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Bobster21
8/21--Dodgers
7A71797570716A2F295E677F767171307D711E0 wrote: Just a thought about Cole. This is his 5th MLB season. He is a hard thrower with a FB in the high 90s. Just in the past 5 years, that has become much more prevalent. Even Chad Kuhl can make that same claim now, which he wasn't doing just a year ago. Chapman currently has a 4.14 ERA. Rivero's ERA for August is 5.63. HRs and Ks are up this year as batters are adjusting to the faster pitching which is becoming the new normal and selling out on the fastball. The advantage Cole had a couple years ago as one of the hardest throwers seems gone now. He's just another guy throwing in the high 90s and getting hit around by batters who've adjusted. Maybe he needs to become more of a pitcher and less of a thrower.
You might be on to something. Interesting.
On Chapman, I wonder if the World Series last year really hurt him? Chapman isn't closing anymore on a regular basis. He came into the game in the sixth inning over the weekend.
Chapman was used almost exclusively in the 9th inning or later until a week ago. But he hasn't been as dominating. After giving up runs in 3 straight games and seeing his ERA rise to 3.89, he was used in the 8th last week, gave up 2 runs (the 4th straight game he was scored upon). Then, as you noted, he was used in the 6th on 8/20.
Here's a good article noting his velocity and location are the same as when he dominated. He says he's healthy. They speculate it might be mechanical (arm slot).
Or maybe batters are just adjusting.
https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2017/8/21 ... ger-closer
You might be on to something. Interesting.
On Chapman, I wonder if the World Series last year really hurt him? Chapman isn't closing anymore on a regular basis. He came into the game in the sixth inning over the weekend.
Chapman was used almost exclusively in the 9th inning or later until a week ago. But he hasn't been as dominating. After giving up runs in 3 straight games and seeing his ERA rise to 3.89, he was used in the 8th last week, gave up 2 runs (the 4th straight game he was scored upon). Then, as you noted, he was used in the 6th on 8/20.
Here's a good article noting his velocity and location are the same as when he dominated. He says he's healthy. They speculate it might be mechanical (arm slot).
Or maybe batters are just adjusting.
https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2017/8/21 ... ger-closer
8/21--Dodgers
49424A464342591C1A6D544C454242034E422D0 wrote: The plan was multiple innings for Benoit the whole time. Hurdle made a double switch and took out Harrison. I didn't like that move. It's wasting players in a tie game. Plus, Harrison was having a good night.
Hurdle said Rivero didn't feel right after playing catch? At least, I assume that was who he was talking about. No Kontos tonight. Neverauskas wasn't supposed to be used. Hurdle did take the blame on leaving Cole in. He had faith in Cole.
any plan that has Benoit pitching for more than an inning is a bad plan. Very lucky that he pitched two scoreless innings last night. He can't reliably pitch one inning without giving up a run.
Hurdle said Rivero didn't feel right after playing catch? At least, I assume that was who he was talking about. No Kontos tonight. Neverauskas wasn't supposed to be used. Hurdle did take the blame on leaving Cole in. He had faith in Cole.
any plan that has Benoit pitching for more than an inning is a bad plan. Very lucky that he pitched two scoreless innings last night. He can't reliably pitch one inning without giving up a run.
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dogknot17@yahoo.co
8/21--Dodgers
I didn't see much of the Cardinals' series, so why was the bullpen so short handed?
These guys are geared to pitch every day. At least they should be. The problem is that if they get in trouble, Hurdle leaves them in. Let them pitch their 10-15 pitches and be done. Have some guys up in the bullpen just in case. I know having guys warm up constantly in the bullpen is bad (Lamont was famous for this - bullpen players hated him), but it can be controlled. I mean, there is a Bullpen Coach and a Bullpen Catcher out there.
Benoit got out of his jams, but it sure was scary. He hasn't thrown over 30 pitches all year. How many days of rest does he need now (might be a good thing).
Hurdle was being questioned after the game and he said how guys weren't available and how the media doesn't know before hand. He said "you can always ask before the game" meaning so they don't have to question all of his moves afterward.
These guys are geared to pitch every day. At least they should be. The problem is that if they get in trouble, Hurdle leaves them in. Let them pitch their 10-15 pitches and be done. Have some guys up in the bullpen just in case. I know having guys warm up constantly in the bullpen is bad (Lamont was famous for this - bullpen players hated him), but it can be controlled. I mean, there is a Bullpen Coach and a Bullpen Catcher out there.
Benoit got out of his jams, but it sure was scary. He hasn't thrown over 30 pitches all year. How many days of rest does he need now (might be a good thing).
Hurdle was being questioned after the game and he said how guys weren't available and how the media doesn't know before hand. He said "you can always ask before the game" meaning so they don't have to question all of his moves afterward.
8/21--Dodgers
654845545342551516270 wrote: Just a thought about Cole. This is his 5th MLB season. He is a hard thrower with a FB in the high 90s. Just in the past 5 years, that has become much more prevalent. Even Chad Kuhl can make that same claim now, which he wasn't doing just a year ago. Chapman currently has a 4.14 ERA. Rivero's ERA for August is 5.63. HRs and Ks are up this year as batters are adjusting to the faster pitching which is becoming the new normal and selling out on the fastball. The advantage Cole had a couple years ago as one of the hardest throwers seems gone now. He's just another guy throwing in the high 90s and getting hit around by batters who've adjusted. Maybe he needs to become more of a pitcher and less of a thrower.
I'm not sure Cole has every been "dominating." He wasn't "dominating" in college. Heck, statistically, he wasn't even the best pitcher on his own team. There must be something about his fastball that makes it east to hit. Flat. Easy to see. Etc. Even when he hits spots, he gets hit. In college, the minors, and the majors.
I'm not sure Cole has every been "dominating." He wasn't "dominating" in college. Heck, statistically, he wasn't even the best pitcher on his own team. There must be something about his fastball that makes it east to hit. Flat. Easy to see. Etc. Even when he hits spots, he gets hit. In college, the minors, and the majors.
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dogknot17@yahoo.co
8/21--Dodgers
I will disagree with that. Cole was very good in High School (picked 28th overall), was for sure a #1 Pitcher coming out of college (picked #1), and has done very well as a professional. He rose through the minors pretty quickly without any problems. At all levels, he has 76 wins and 3.60 ERA. His Pirates' 2015 season was pretty dominate.
Cole would be in every single rotation in all of baseball. He might not be the "ace" people want or hoping for, but he will be in the majors for a long time assuming no major injuries.
Cole would be in every single rotation in all of baseball. He might not be the "ace" people want or hoping for, but he will be in the majors for a long time assuming no major injuries.
8/21--Dodgers
0F1236343A5F0 wrote: Just a thought about Cole. This is his 5th MLB season. He is a hard thrower with a FB in the high 90s. Just in the past 5 years, that has become much more prevalent. Even Chad Kuhl can make that same claim now, which he wasn't doing just a year ago. Chapman currently has a 4.14 ERA. Rivero's ERA for August is 5.63. HRs and Ks are up this year as batters are adjusting to the faster pitching which is becoming the new normal and selling out on the fastball. The advantage Cole had a couple years ago as one of the hardest throwers seems gone now. He's just another guy throwing in the high 90s and getting hit around by batters who've adjusted. Maybe he needs to become more of a pitcher and less of a thrower.
I'm not sure Cole has every been "dominating." He wasn't "dominating" in college. Heck, statistically, he wasn't even the best pitcher on his own team. There must be something about his fastball that makes it east to hit. Flat. Easy to see. Etc. Even when he hits spots, he gets hit. In college, the minors, and the majors.
His 2015 season was dominating. whip of 1.091, .5 homers per 9 innings. 202 strikeouts in 208 innings. ERA plus of 149. Max Scherzer didn't have a season that good until he was 28
I'm not sure Cole has every been "dominating." He wasn't "dominating" in college. Heck, statistically, he wasn't even the best pitcher on his own team. There must be something about his fastball that makes it east to hit. Flat. Easy to see. Etc. Even when he hits spots, he gets hit. In college, the minors, and the majors.
His 2015 season was dominating. whip of 1.091, .5 homers per 9 innings. 202 strikeouts in 208 innings. ERA plus of 149. Max Scherzer didn't have a season that good until he was 28
8/21--Dodgers
527475627464170 wrote: Just a thought about Cole. This is his 5th MLB season. He is a hard thrower with a FB in the high 90s. Just in the past 5 years, that has become much more prevalent. Even Chad Kuhl can make that same claim now, which he wasn't doing just a year ago. Chapman currently has a 4.14 ERA. Rivero's ERA for August is 5.63. HRs and Ks are up this year as batters are adjusting to the faster pitching which is becoming the new normal and selling out on the fastball. The advantage Cole had a couple years ago as one of the hardest throwers seems gone now. He's just another guy throwing in the high 90s and getting hit around by batters who've adjusted. Maybe he needs to become more of a pitcher and less of a thrower.
I'm not sure Cole has every been "dominating." He wasn't "dominating" in college. Heck, statistically, he wasn't even the best pitcher on his own team. There must be something about his fastball that makes it east to hit. Flat. Easy to see. Etc. Even when he hits spots, he gets hit. In college, the minors, and the majors.
His 2015 season was dominating. whip of 1.091, .5 homers per 9 innings. 202 strikeouts in 208 innings. ERA plus of 149. Max Scherzer didn't have a season that good until he was 28
I have a hard time calling a guy who's not striking out a batter per IP dominating. Secondly, a WHIP of 1.10 isn't mind-blowing.
More importantly, at this point in his career (majors, minors, and college), that year is looking a bit like an outlier.
I'm not sure Cole has every been "dominating." He wasn't "dominating" in college. Heck, statistically, he wasn't even the best pitcher on his own team. There must be something about his fastball that makes it east to hit. Flat. Easy to see. Etc. Even when he hits spots, he gets hit. In college, the minors, and the majors.
His 2015 season was dominating. whip of 1.091, .5 homers per 9 innings. 202 strikeouts in 208 innings. ERA plus of 149. Max Scherzer didn't have a season that good until he was 28
I have a hard time calling a guy who's not striking out a batter per IP dominating. Secondly, a WHIP of 1.10 isn't mind-blowing.
More importantly, at this point in his career (majors, minors, and college), that year is looking a bit like an outlier.
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Bobster21
8/21--Dodgers
Cole's 2015 WHIP of 1.091 was outstanding. It was 8th in the NL just behind Greinke, Arrieta, Kershaw, Scherzer, deGrom, Bumgarner and Harvey.
8/21--Dodgers
725F52434455420201300 wrote: Cole's 2015 WHIP of 1.091 was outstanding. It was 8th in the NL just behind Greinke, Arrieta, Kershaw, Scherzer, deGrom, Bumgarner and Harvey.
Ok, if he was dominant in 2015, why has he not been able to pitch at the level in college, the minors, or any other year in the majors?
Ok, if he was dominant in 2015, why has he not been able to pitch at the level in college, the minors, or any other year in the majors?