123F32232435226261500 wrote: I think I'm confused but what people mean by "in their prime." I guess it means at their personal best level unless it's the Pirates that do it and then it doesn't count
The standard age is 28-31 for players to be in their prime. At least, that was what I have always been told, believed.
That seems reasonable as a guideline. But "prime" isn't just a matter of age. It's relative to their best years of performance. Some players' prime years are earlier and some are later. For example, Bill Robinson was a 16 year veteran whose career essentially began as a Yankee at age 24. But his prime years were with the Pirates in his mid 30s when he was at his most productive.
Those were Robinson's best years. Many players have had great seasons outside of those age years. I was just going with the baseball standard. Besides McCutchen, many current Pirates might not have had their best year or years yet. Using the baseball standard of when players are their best, the Pirates are in that window. I might be hoping too much, but this is also why I don't think they should blow up this current team this year.
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767D75797C7D662325526B737A7D7D3C717D120 wrote: I think I'm confused but what people mean by "in their prime." I guess it means at their personal best level unless it's the Pirates that do it and then it doesn't count
[highlight]The standard age is 28-31 for players to be in their prime.[/highlight] At least, that was what I have always been told, believed.
Oh my, then we can expect Giancarlo Stanton and Mike Trout to soon be hitting 100 HR a season and driving in about 250 per year. These two guys are great examples of youngsters not in their prime. Thanks for making that clear Dog.
On the other hand maybe each of them has reached his prime too early and will soon begin to regress where they will be nothing more than a PH or defensive replacement. You know the 25th man on the bench. I believe that is what happened to Cutch. So he is on his downward spiral and the Bucs would do to cut and run for whatever they can get. Like a seasons worth of baseballs or light bulbs for in the restrooms. Is that asking too much?
[highlight]The standard age is 28-31 for players to be in their prime.[/highlight] At least, that was what I have always been told, believed.
Oh my, then we can expect Giancarlo Stanton and Mike Trout to soon be hitting 100 HR a season and driving in about 250 per year. These two guys are great examples of youngsters not in their prime. Thanks for making that clear Dog.
On the other hand maybe each of them has reached his prime too early and will soon begin to regress where they will be nothing more than a PH or defensive replacement. You know the 25th man on the bench. I believe that is what happened to Cutch. So he is on his downward spiral and the Bucs would do to cut and run for whatever they can get. Like a seasons worth of baseballs or light bulbs for in the restrooms. Is that asking too much?
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4A6B634A61690E0 wrote: I think I'm confused but what people mean by "in their prime." I guess it means at their personal best level unless it's the Pirates that do it and then it doesn't count
[highlight]The standard age is 28-31 for players to be in their prime.[/highlight] At least, that was what I have always been told, believed.
Oh my, then we can expect Giancarlo Stanton and Mike Trout to soon be hitting 100 HR a season and driving in about 250 per year. These two guys are great examples of youngsters not in their prime. Thanks for making that clear Dog.
On the other hand maybe each of them has reached his prime too early and will soon begin to regress where they will be nothing more than a PH or defensive replacement. You know the 25th man on the bench. I believe that is what happened to Cutch. So he is on his downward spiral and the Bucs would do to cut and run for whatever they can get. Like a seasons worth of baseballs or light bulbs for in the restrooms. Is that asking too much?
This is why Trout's contract jumps from $20 million to $34 million in 2018. And why Stanton's contract is going from $14.5 million to $25 million.
I did mention that many players have had great years out of that age range. I didn't make up that range. Baseball history did.
[highlight]The standard age is 28-31 for players to be in their prime.[/highlight] At least, that was what I have always been told, believed.
Oh my, then we can expect Giancarlo Stanton and Mike Trout to soon be hitting 100 HR a season and driving in about 250 per year. These two guys are great examples of youngsters not in their prime. Thanks for making that clear Dog.
On the other hand maybe each of them has reached his prime too early and will soon begin to regress where they will be nothing more than a PH or defensive replacement. You know the 25th man on the bench. I believe that is what happened to Cutch. So he is on his downward spiral and the Bucs would do to cut and run for whatever they can get. Like a seasons worth of baseballs or light bulbs for in the restrooms. Is that asking too much?
This is why Trout's contract jumps from $20 million to $34 million in 2018. And why Stanton's contract is going from $14.5 million to $25 million.
I did mention that many players have had great years out of that age range. I didn't make up that range. Baseball history did.
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DemDog
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68636B676263783D3B4C756D646363226F630C0 wrote: I think I'm confused but what people mean by "in their prime." I guess it means at their personal best level unless it's the Pirates that do it and then it doesn't count
[highlight]The standard age is 28-31 for players to be in their prime.[/highlight] At least, that was what I have always been told, believed.
Oh my, then we can expect Giancarlo Stanton and Mike Trout to soon be hitting 100 HR a season and driving in about 250 per year. These two guys are great examples of youngsters not in their prime. Thanks for making that clear Dog.
On the other hand maybe each of them has reached his prime too early and will soon begin to regress where they will be nothing more than a PH or defensive replacement. You know the 25th man on the bench. I believe that is what happened to Cutch. So he is on his downward spiral and the Bucs would do to cut and run for whatever they can get. Like a seasons worth of baseballs or light bulbs for in the restrooms. Is that asking too much?
This is why Trout's contract jumps from $20 million to $34 million in 2018. And why Stanton's contract is going from $14.5 million to $25 million.
I did mention that many players have had great years out of that age range. I didn't make up that range. Baseball history did.
Not worried about what their contracts are Dog. I am interested in their production and value. You seem to make a clear statement about the age range and now that I have pointed out to you that the range can and does fluctuate you suddenly change your def of age range to broaden it. I guess if someone told you that the earth was flat you would consider believing it or even believe it.
[highlight]The standard age is 28-31 for players to be in their prime.[/highlight] At least, that was what I have always been told, believed.
Oh my, then we can expect Giancarlo Stanton and Mike Trout to soon be hitting 100 HR a season and driving in about 250 per year. These two guys are great examples of youngsters not in their prime. Thanks for making that clear Dog.
On the other hand maybe each of them has reached his prime too early and will soon begin to regress where they will be nothing more than a PH or defensive replacement. You know the 25th man on the bench. I believe that is what happened to Cutch. So he is on his downward spiral and the Bucs would do to cut and run for whatever they can get. Like a seasons worth of baseballs or light bulbs for in the restrooms. Is that asking too much?
This is why Trout's contract jumps from $20 million to $34 million in 2018. And why Stanton's contract is going from $14.5 million to $25 million.
I did mention that many players have had great years out of that age range. I didn't make up that range. Baseball history did.
Not worried about what their contracts are Dog. I am interested in their production and value. You seem to make a clear statement about the age range and now that I have pointed out to you that the range can and does fluctuate you suddenly change your def of age range to broaden it. I guess if someone told you that the earth was flat you would consider believing it or even believe it.
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1D3C341D363E590 wrote: I think I'm confused but what people mean by "in their prime." I guess it means at their personal best level unless it's the Pirates that do it and then it doesn't count
[highlight]The standard age is 28-31 for players to be in their prime.[/highlight] At least, that was what I have always been told, believed.
Oh my, then we can expect Giancarlo Stanton and Mike Trout to soon be hitting 100 HR a season and driving in about 250 per year. These two guys are great examples of youngsters not in their prime. Thanks for making that clear Dog.
On the other hand maybe each of them has reached his prime too early and will soon begin to regress where they will be nothing more than a PH or defensive replacement. You know the 25th man on the bench. I believe that is what happened to Cutch. So he is on his downward spiral and the Bucs would do to cut and run for whatever they can get. Like a seasons worth of baseballs or light bulbs for in the restrooms. Is that asking too much?
This is why Trout's contract jumps from $20 million to $34 million in 2018. And why Stanton's contract is going from $14.5 million to $25 million.
I did mention that many players have had great years out of that age range. I didn't make up that range. Baseball history did.
Not worried about what their contracts are Dog. I am interested in their production and value. You seem to make a clear statement about the age range and now that I have pointed out to you that the range can and does fluctuate you suddenly change your def of age range to broaden it. I guess if someone told you that the earth was flat you would consider believing it or even believe it.
No, you are trying to "catch" me in being wrong. I pointed out that the age range does fluctuate before you posted. But you still made a sarcastic post about my opinion on why I think the Pirates can compete this year.
In countering your post, I pointed out their contracts jumps as they approach those ages knowing they are being projected to be even better in the upcoming years. You also pointed out two very elite players who are and always have been head and shoulders above the rest. There is talk about Bryce Harper getting $400-$500 million in the age range I stated too. Two players are not the majority or the average.
Mickey Mantle was very special at ages 24 and 25. He also won the MVP and his only Gold Glove at age 31. Again, I didn't pick the range. I just stated what I "googled".
[highlight]The standard age is 28-31 for players to be in their prime.[/highlight] At least, that was what I have always been told, believed.
Oh my, then we can expect Giancarlo Stanton and Mike Trout to soon be hitting 100 HR a season and driving in about 250 per year. These two guys are great examples of youngsters not in their prime. Thanks for making that clear Dog.
On the other hand maybe each of them has reached his prime too early and will soon begin to regress where they will be nothing more than a PH or defensive replacement. You know the 25th man on the bench. I believe that is what happened to Cutch. So he is on his downward spiral and the Bucs would do to cut and run for whatever they can get. Like a seasons worth of baseballs or light bulbs for in the restrooms. Is that asking too much?
This is why Trout's contract jumps from $20 million to $34 million in 2018. And why Stanton's contract is going from $14.5 million to $25 million.
I did mention that many players have had great years out of that age range. I didn't make up that range. Baseball history did.
Not worried about what their contracts are Dog. I am interested in their production and value. You seem to make a clear statement about the age range and now that I have pointed out to you that the range can and does fluctuate you suddenly change your def of age range to broaden it. I guess if someone told you that the earth was flat you would consider believing it or even believe it.
No, you are trying to "catch" me in being wrong. I pointed out that the age range does fluctuate before you posted. But you still made a sarcastic post about my opinion on why I think the Pirates can compete this year.
In countering your post, I pointed out their contracts jumps as they approach those ages knowing they are being projected to be even better in the upcoming years. You also pointed out two very elite players who are and always have been head and shoulders above the rest. There is talk about Bryce Harper getting $400-$500 million in the age range I stated too. Two players are not the majority or the average.
Mickey Mantle was very special at ages 24 and 25. He also won the MVP and his only Gold Glove at age 31. Again, I didn't pick the range. I just stated what I "googled".
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"Earlier tonight, ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick reported that teams have come away from initial talks with J.D. Martinez’s camp that he’s seeking a $200MM deal, and Crasnick now tweets that clubs are under the impression that free-agent right fielder Jay Bruce is seeking $80-90MM over a five-year term."
Yay or nay?
Yay or nay?
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You know Dog sometimes you say things that are correct like your statement about the age range for prime years. This is indeed and excepted "standard" for most players. Some do peak early and some later.
You said it and most folks would agree with you but with your history of making statements on OBN as being the gospel or supposedly from very credible resources has many of us even me wary of what you say and believe. YOu constant seem to change what you say when someone calls you out. Now you are doing that with me. The only way that you seem to listen and learn is for someone to call you out.
With that said I should point out that you should say something and when you get a response that you don't like sit back and think about that response and whether or not it is worth arguing about. I am just about done with you Dog, please weigh your words carefully so that you no longer embarrass yourself by trying to be an expert on all things Buccos. Many times the fewer words you say are better for us all.
You said it and most folks would agree with you but with your history of making statements on OBN as being the gospel or supposedly from very credible resources has many of us even me wary of what you say and believe. YOu constant seem to change what you say when someone calls you out. Now you are doing that with me. The only way that you seem to listen and learn is for someone to call you out.
With that said I should point out that you should say something and when you get a response that you don't like sit back and think about that response and whether or not it is worth arguing about. I am just about done with you Dog, please weigh your words carefully so that you no longer embarrass yourself by trying to be an expert on all things Buccos. Many times the fewer words you say are better for us all.
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nay for Pirates and probably nay for anyone else.
I could see Bruce getting 45 or 50 million for 4 years (not from Pirates).
Martinez, who knows? but he will get a huge contract.
I could see Bruce getting 45 or 50 million for 4 years (not from Pirates).
Martinez, who knows? but he will get a huge contract.
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113038113A32550 wrote: You know Dog sometimes you say things that are correct like your statement about the age range for prime years. This is indeed and excepted "standard" for most players. Some do peak early and some later.
You said it and most folks would agree with you but with your history of making statements on OBN as being the gospel or supposedly from very credible resources has many of us even me wary of what you say and believe. YOu constant seem to change what you say when someone calls you out. Now you are doing that with me. The only way that you seem to listen and learn is for someone to call you out.
With that said I should point out that you should say something and when you get a response that you don't like sit back and think about that response and whether or not it is worth arguing about. I am just about done with you Dog, please weigh your words carefully so that you no longer embarrass yourself by trying to be an expert on all things Buccos. Many times the fewer words you say are better for us all.
You can be done with me and I am fine with that. But you and a few others go out of you way to attack me and my opinion. You just told me to "google" something when I started a post. You said I probably think the earth is flat too. Thanks for keeping it baseball related and not being personal. That is a rule right?
This is a perfect example: if you know my prime age range is correct, why did you attack that statement or try to prove it wrong? You obviously didn't read my whole post as I even stated that is wasn't for every single player ever. Then I had to go further and point out to you how your two examples are going to get paid more for their upcoming prime years.
You can disagree and/or not respond. I am not embarrassing myself. For some reason, I have to post more or come up with other examples or express my opinion/reasoning in other ways so my posts aren't twisted so much. It isn't until someone else steps in and agrees with me where you and others back down. Many people have the same opinion as me in adding to the current team and not blowing it up, yet I am the "owner lover" not looking at reality.
You said it and most folks would agree with you but with your history of making statements on OBN as being the gospel or supposedly from very credible resources has many of us even me wary of what you say and believe. YOu constant seem to change what you say when someone calls you out. Now you are doing that with me. The only way that you seem to listen and learn is for someone to call you out.
With that said I should point out that you should say something and when you get a response that you don't like sit back and think about that response and whether or not it is worth arguing about. I am just about done with you Dog, please weigh your words carefully so that you no longer embarrass yourself by trying to be an expert on all things Buccos. Many times the fewer words you say are better for us all.
You can be done with me and I am fine with that. But you and a few others go out of you way to attack me and my opinion. You just told me to "google" something when I started a post. You said I probably think the earth is flat too. Thanks for keeping it baseball related and not being personal. That is a rule right?
This is a perfect example: if you know my prime age range is correct, why did you attack that statement or try to prove it wrong? You obviously didn't read my whole post as I even stated that is wasn't for every single player ever. Then I had to go further and point out to you how your two examples are going to get paid more for their upcoming prime years.
You can disagree and/or not respond. I am not embarrassing myself. For some reason, I have to post more or come up with other examples or express my opinion/reasoning in other ways so my posts aren't twisted so much. It isn't until someone else steps in and agrees with me where you and others back down. Many people have the same opinion as me in adding to the current team and not blowing it up, yet I am the "owner lover" not looking at reality.
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Seems like the Possum guy is always going after the DOG.
I thought Dogs chased possums
Bruce would be nice 4 years $52 could get it done. Move Marte this offseason then Cutch in july .Hopefully Meadows is for real and ready by then.
I thought Dogs chased possums
Bruce would be nice 4 years $52 could get it done. Move Marte this offseason then Cutch in july .Hopefully Meadows is for real and ready by then.