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can Hudson vulture a win?

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:03 pm
by steve49
153835242332256566570 wrote: I am leaning to your side with the use of the bullpen.  But people still can't have it both ways.  Rivero was being used in high leverage situations most of the season then Watson was blowing it.  Now, Rivero is the closer and Watson and company are blowing it before the 9th and people question where was Rivero.  It's one or the other...



(You are right, I can't name 32 teams)
I don't think people want it both  ways. There are just 2 different schools of thought. My preference is that the best reliever be used as needed. Last night they needed a strike out in the 7th vs LH batters. Watson did ok but the ground out scored a run. Then the struggling Hudson loses the game. Meanwhile they have a Chapmanesque LH reliever who throws 102 but doesn't get used. In games where Rivero hadn't been needed prior to the 9th. he can slam the door and get a save. But there are other times like last night when trying to avoid an earlier game threatening jam has to take priority.






Its my fault dog said there were 32 teams. I keep getting MLB mixed up with NFL and said the 32 teams in a previous post. As to using Rivero in the 7th , those first 2 batters reached base pretty quickly. I think it would have been tough for Hurdle to have him ready to pitch in that inning. You and I disagree on when and how you should use a BP guy that is heads and shoulders better than the other pitchers but you have to consider that you can't just keep Rivero "warm" in the BP for high leverage spots. I do think there is good argument for both our views.
Yes, there's a trade off either way.




Bottom line is we need more consistency from Nicasio , Watson and Hudson. One lights out guy is just not enough. That said as great as Rivero is ...he's had a few hard hit balls right at guys ?

can Hudson vulture a win?

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:09 pm
by dogknot17@yahoo.co
I agree. But the people who want to save Rivero for the 9th didn't seem to chime in. I feel Hurdle managed the way they wanted him to manage and they still blew it and lost the game.



Yes, we need more players to pitch better. Plain and simple. Since they aren't, the Pirates need to use match ups. Was Nicasio even available?

can Hudson vulture a win?

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:13 pm
by skinnyhorse
I'm really tired of hearing Hudson and his nonchalant attitude about blowing leads. The guy sounds like a complete jerk when asked about his failures. He's got a no cut contract so no big deal.

can Hudson vulture a win?

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:16 pm
by dogknot17@yahoo.co
776F6D6A6A7D6C6B767761040 wrote: I'm really tired of hearing Hudson and his nonchalant attitude about blowing leads.  The guy sounds like a complete jerk when asked about his failures.  He's got a no cut contract so no big deal.


He took the blame. What else do you want him to say? How many players blow games and like talking about it?



How would have you handled the bullpen in this game?