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3E39283B2879744D0 wrote: Three of those walks shouldn't have happened in my opinion. Yeah, Glasnow couldn't get out of the jam, but the strike zone was awful. The box on AT&T showed that assuming it is accurate.




Cy Young's going to give up five runs in 2 2/3 if he can't get correct call of pitches he makes.
True, but Cy Young probably didn't go to 3-2 on every hitter either.




I didn't see much of the game. I did see the ball 4 call on the pitch that cut the heart of the plate.



Anyway , you keep saying he had way too many 3-2 counts in response to others saying he had many pitches in the strike zone that were called balls. I know your a smart guy but you seem to be missing their point ? If a few more strikes were called .. maybe he wouldn't have been to 3-2 that much ? For the record , what I saw in seeing maybe a 3rd of Glasnow's pitches , he needs to have better FB control but he did get screwed.










I see one viciously bad call and the rest borderline. It looks more like he closed his eyes before chucking the thing towards the plate.

0424372A2B450 wrote:

2. Not comparing him to Randy Johnson, but Johnson had a lot of the same control issues early in his career, 512 BB's in his first 790 IP, then figured it out, including a season where he only had 44 BB's in 245 IP. Again, I'm not saying he is the next Randy Johnson, but I'm saying that there may be hope he can figure it out at the ML level.




You say you're not comparing Glasnow to Randy Johnson but then say:



"If Randy Johnson can figure it out then maybe Glasnow can too."



You are absolutely comparing Glasnow to Randy Johnson. I've seen lots of people make this same comparison and I'm going to assume this connection is made because they're both tall.



I don't think there's any reason to believe that because one tall person became a great ML pitcher, that a different tall person trying to be a successful pitcher will also do so.




My wording was wrong, I should have said, "I'm not saying Glasnow will be the next Randy Johnson"

Thank you for pointing that out.

I also was not making any comparisons to height of the pitchers, I was comparing hard throwing pitchers who had major control issues early in their careers.

But again, thank you for pointing out the height comparison that I didn't make.

There's no point in us arguing over Glasnow.   Currently, the guy sucks at the major league level.



He's not going to just all the sudden turn into a strike thrower.  He MAY be able to get enough control of his fastball to get swings on his curve.



Who knows.  I've given up.  What are we going to do? Sit on this kid for 2 years while he gets hammered in the hopes that he can magically go from an absolutely terrible starting pitcher to a good starter?   



I think it would be different if he were erratic.  That would give me hope.  He's consistently terrible.  Long long way to go. Too long for us to mess around with him

393E2F3C2F7E734A0 wrote: Three of those walks shouldn't have happened in my opinion. Yeah, Glasnow couldn't get out of the jam, but the strike zone was awful. The box on AT&T showed that assuming it is accurate.




Cy Young's going to give up five runs in 2 2/3 if he can't get correct call of pitches he makes.
True, but Cy Young probably didn't go to 3-2 on every hitter either.




I didn't see much of the game. I did see the ball 4 call on the pitch that cut the heart of the plate.



Anyway , you keep saying he had way too many 3-2 counts in response to others saying he had many pitches in the strike zone that were called balls. I know your a smart guy but you seem to be missing their point ? If a few more strikes were called .. maybe he wouldn't have been to 3-2 that much ? For the record , what I saw in seeing maybe a 3rd of Glasnow's pitches , he needs to have better FB control but he did get screwed.


The umpire was bad but Glasnow wasn't getting screwed on every pitch. My point is that if you don't throw so many pitches outside the strike zone to each batter, those bad calls won't result in a 4th ball during that AB. Even if the first pitch is wrongly called a ball, it still takes 3 more to walk the batter. Glasnow can't survive bad calls because he throws too many pitches to each batter that are legit balls. If he had better control, a bad call in each AB wouldn't result in so many walks.

What I also noticed from the chart was that very few pitches outside the box were swung at. So guys are waiting.

0D202D3C3B2A3D7D7E4F0 wrote: Three of those walks shouldn't have happened in my opinion. Yeah, Glasnow couldn't get out of the jam, but the strike zone was awful. The box on AT&T showed that assuming it is accurate.




Cy Young's going to give up five runs in 2 2/3 if he can't get correct call of pitches he makes.
True, but Cy Young probably didn't go to 3-2 on every hitter either.




I didn't see much of the game. I did see the ball 4 call on the pitch that cut the heart of the plate.



Anyway , you keep saying he had way too many 3-2 counts in response to others saying he had many pitches in the strike zone that were called balls. I know your a smart guy but you seem to be missing their point ? If a few more strikes were called .. maybe he wouldn't have been to 3-2 that much ? For the record , what I saw in seeing maybe a 3rd of Glasnow's pitches , he needs to have better FB control but he did get screwed.


The umpire was bad but Glasnow wasn't getting screwed on every pitch. My point is that if you don't throw so many pitches outside the strike zone to each batter, those bad calls won't result in a 4th ball during that AB. Even if the first pitch is wrongly called a ball, it still takes 3 more to walk the batter. Glasnow can't survive bad calls because he throws too many pitches to each batter that are legit balls. If he had better control, a bad call in each AB wouldn't result in so many walks.    




From what I saw I would have to agree with you. His FB command is just all over the place.

It seems clear that if he ever becomes a ML pitcher he's going to have to figure it out at the ML level. So what do the Pirates do with him next year? Let him rot in AAA (assuming he has options), play him on a team Neal claims is going for a WS at the risk of getting blasted every 5th day, or trade him?

5552444C4255121E67404A464E4B0944484A270 wrote: It seems clear that if he ever becomes a ML pitcher he's going to have to figure it out at the ML level.  So what do the Pirates do with him next year?  Let him rot in AAA (assuming he has options), play him on a team Neal claims is going for a WS at the risk of getting blasted every 5th day, or trade him?


Long man?

1B2925253103202924212E29480 wrote: Three of those walks shouldn't have happened in my opinion. Yeah, Glasnow couldn't get out of the jam, but the strike zone was awful. The box on AT&T showed that assuming it is accurate.




Cy Young's going to give up five runs in 2 2/3 if he can't get correct call of pitches he makes.
True, but Cy Young probably didn't go to 3-2 on every hitter either.




I didn't see much of the game. I did see the ball 4 call on the pitch that cut the heart of the plate.



Anyway , you keep saying he had way too many 3-2 counts in response to others saying he had many pitches in the strike zone that were called balls. I know your a smart guy but you seem to be missing their point ? If a few more strikes were called .. maybe he wouldn't have been to 3-2 that much ? For the record , what I saw in seeing maybe a 3rd of Glasnow's pitches , he needs to have better FB control but he did get screwed.










I see one viciously bad call and the rest borderline.  It looks more like he closed his eyes before chucking the thing towards the plate.
I didn't watch the game but from the responses I expected this chart to show that Glasnow got screwed. It certainly doesn't look that way?