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3334222A2433747801262C20282D6F222E2C410 wrote: It's all just a bunch of bull.   Hurdle says one thing one day, and contradicts it the next.   He wants to play guys to "get them going" when they're slumping...then rests players who are hitting and defends it by saying they believe the players are better when they're rested (outfielders mind you, not catchers lol)



Then, during a different interview mentions the Cervelli had to knock some rust off after missing 2 games.   (The first time he was out).  Up is down left is right.  Streaks are real, then they're not.



NH backs him during his interviews saying a rainout isn't really an"off" day because the player still mentally has to prepare for the game and warm up.   



It's a comedy act, these two knuckleheads actually believing they're smarter than the literal thousands of baseball players, coaches and executives before them who wouldnt dream of a rotation of OFs or Infielders (other than catchers) for rest purposes.



Then they talk about the Golden State Warriors  ;D Are these guys serious????   A Jr high kid could explain to them how much more physically demanding playing a basketball game is than spitting sunflowers in RF during a baseball game and batting 4 times.    Baseball isn't basketball, it's not hockey, and it sure as heck isn't football.  The BMTIB needs a NASA scientist to write them a memo to this effect, apparently



If they win, they can talk about magic pixiedust and unicorn underwear making the difference, for all I care.  But they're losers.  All of them.     Might as well build a shrine to JoBu, for all the measuable difference the rest of their krap makes.


It’s a sad thing, but you’re telling it like it is.   



No, it’s not sad.  It’s really rotten that we have a team led by people who can’t seem to avoid stupid lies.
Lies are a necessary part of this operation. It starts at the very top where the mission statement appears to be to build a profitable team by spending as little as possible while pocketing as much of the revenue as possible. Avoiding the contracts of more productive--and therefore more expensive--players will generally result in a less competitive team. Winning would be great but is unlikely, and the fans must be encouraged to invest their interest, time and their spending on such a team. This requires lying to them about what good things they should expect and that when they don't see good things it's just a temporary setback with better things to come. That is the special talent of NH and CH, which explains their recent 4 year extensions. A savvy GM and mgr would be useless to Nutting, since he wouldn't give them the resources to succeed anyway. What Nutting needs is a GM and mgr to say whatever needs to be said to make fans of a perpetually floundering team believe it's not perpetually floundering.

4C616C7D7A6B7C3C3F0E0 wrote: It's all just a bunch of bull.   Hurdle says one thing one day, and contradicts it the next.   He wants to play guys to "get them going" when they're slumping...then rests players who are hitting and defends it by saying they believe the players are better when they're rested (outfielders mind you, not catchers lol)



Then, he a different interview mentions the Cervelli had to knock some rust off after missing 2 games.   (The first time he was out)



NH backs him during his interviews saying a rainout isn't really an"off" day because the player still mentally has to prepare for the game and warm up.   



It's a comedy act, these two knuckleheads actually believing they're smarter than the literal thousands of baseball players, coaches and executives before them who wouldnt dream of a rotation of OFs or Infielders (other than catchers) for rest purposes.



Then they talk about the Golden State Warriors  ;D Are these guys serious????   A Jr high kid could explain to them how much more physically demanding playing a basketball game is than spitting sunflowers in RF during a baseball game and batting 4 times.    Baseball isn't basketball, it's not hockey, and it sure as heck isn't football.  The BMTIB needs a NASA scientist to write them a memo to this effect, apparently
Yeah, I find it laughable for a baseball team to use an NBA model for resting players. Other than when foul shots are being attempted, NBA players are in constant motion whenever on the court. Running, leaping and banging bodies. Very physical. Baseball players spend half the game sitting in the dugout while their team bats and if lucky may get to run the basses once or twice and even then not even all the bases. They spend the other half of the game in the field where only the pitcher and catcher are involved on every pitch. The rest may only be involved in a handful of plays each. But NH and Hurdle seem to think they are smarter than everyone else. Not that they have anything to show for their inventiveness.




I didn't have a problem with giving it a try a couple of years ago. The Pirates (allegedly) have very limited revenue and if that is true, they need to be creative and cutting edge in their approaches. I didn't have a problem giving the model a try in baseball. You never know, it could have been a big boost to the team in August and September. However, it is pretty clear that the GS approach doesn't have a positive effect on players in the last part of the year. Time to scrap it now. That fact that they keep doing it without any statistical proof that it is having a positive effect is the problem.

475A7E7C72170 wrote: It's all just a bunch of bull.   Hurdle says one thing one day, and contradicts it the next.   He wants to play guys to "get them going" when they're slumping...then rests players who are hitting and defends it by saying they believe the players are better when they're rested (outfielders mind you, not catchers lol)



Then, he a different interview mentions the Cervelli had to knock some rust off after missing 2 games.   (The first time he was out)



NH backs him during his interviews saying a rainout isn't really an"off" day because the player still mentally has to prepare for the game and warm up.   



It's a comedy act, these two knuckleheads actually believing they're smarter than the literal thousands of baseball players, coaches and executives before them who wouldnt dream of a rotation of OFs or Infielders (other than catchers) for rest purposes.



Then they talk about the Golden State Warriors  ;D Are these guys serious????   A Jr high kid could explain to them how much more physically demanding playing a basketball game is than spitting sunflowers in RF during a baseball game and batting 4 times.    Baseball isn't basketball, it's not hockey, and it sure as heck isn't football.  The BMTIB needs a NASA scientist to write them a memo to this effect, apparently
Yeah, I find it laughable for a baseball team to use an NBA model for resting players. Other than when foul shots are being attempted, NBA players are in constant motion whenever on the court. Running, leaping and banging bodies. Very physical. Baseball players spend half the game sitting in the dugout while their team bats and if lucky may get to run the basses once or twice and even then not even all the bases. They spend the other half of the game in the field where only the pitcher and catcher are involved on every pitch. The rest may only be involved in a handful of plays each. But NH and Hurdle seem to think they are smarter than everyone else. Not that they have anything to show for their inventiveness.




I didn't have a problem with giving it a try a couple of years ago.  The Pirates (allegedly) have very limited revenue and if that is true, they need to be creative and cutting edge in their approaches.  I didn't have a problem giving the model a try in baseball.  You never know, it could have been a big boost to the team in August and September.  However, it is pretty clear that the GS approach doesn't have a positive effect on players in the last part of the year.  Time to scrap it now.  That fact that they keep doing it without any statistical proof that it is having a positive effect is the problem.


I asked a questoin on Bucs Dugout about where was the Bucs top analytics team the past couple of off seasons. Wilbur Miller replied it was in Arizona.



He may have been joking but he may have been saying the analytics department doesn't have the whiz kids it had at one time.