Will Showalter/Britton fiasco change closer philosophy?

SammyKhalifa · Post by **SammyKhalifa** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 4:50 pm

I actually thought last night was a good time to try Watson a vote of confidence. But the hook should have been quicker after things started turning South.

Ecbucs · Post by **Ecbucs** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:35 pm

0C3E32322614373E3336393E5F0 wrote: I actually thought last night was a good time to try Watson a vote of confidence. But the hook should have been quicker after things started turning South.

this is what I expected too. I can't imagine Watson pitching the next save situation.

Bobster21 · Post by **Bobster21** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:44 pm

557372657363100 wrote: I actually thought last night was a good time to try Watson a vote of confidence. But the hook should have been quicker after things started turning South.

this is what I expected too. I can't imagine Watson pitching the next save situation.
According to the PPG today, Hurdle says he isn't changing anything in the bullpen. That fits right in with TBMTIB's philosophy of doing nothing.

SammyKhalifa · Post by **SammyKhalifa** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:24 pm

An article over at BD had an interesting idea today that maybe Chad Kuhl would look pretty good coming out of the bullpen.

Taillon to the Rotation

Chad Kuhl to the bullpen

Johnny Barbato to the icy void

johnfluharty · Post by **johnfluharty** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:40 pm

634E43525544531310210 wrote: I actually thought last night was a good time to try Watson a vote of confidence. But the hook should have been quicker after things started turning South.

this is what I expected too. I can't imagine Watson pitching the next save situation.
According to the PPG today, Hurdle says he isn't changing anything in the bullpen. That fits right in with TBMTIB's philosophy of doing nothing.

According to this article, he said that Tuesday, then changed his tune after last night.

http://m.pirates.mlb.com/news/article/2 ... es-closer/

"[Giving Watson a brief blow is] something that we talked about earlier, and I think we will have an opportunity to discuss some things on the way back tomorrow," Hurdle said. "We have to reassess who is available tomorrow as well, so that'll be a thought."

dogknot17@yahoo.co · Post by **dogknot17@yahoo.co** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:43 pm

42707C7C685A79707D787770110 wrote: An article over at BD had an interesting idea today that maybe Chad Kuhl would look pretty good coming out of the bullpen.

Taillon to the Rotation

Chad Kuhl to the bullpen

Johnny Barbato to the icy void

Kuhl did hit 100mph yesterday. I never saw him throw that hard before.

Kuhl had his "Jeff Locke" game. Pitched well when a possible demotion was near.

Bobster21 · Post by **Bobster21** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:26 pm

363334323A3029343D2E28255C0 wrote: I actually thought last night was a good time to try Watson a vote of confidence. But the hook should have been quicker after things started turning South.

this is what I expected too. I can't imagine Watson pitching the next save situation.
According to the PPG today, Hurdle says he isn't changing anything in the bullpen. That fits right in with TBMTIB's philosophy of doing nothing.

According to this article, he said that Tuesday, then changed his tune after last night.

http://m.pirates.mlb.com/news/article/2 ... es-closer/

"[Giving Watson a brief blow is] something that we talked about earlier, and I think we will have an opportunity to discuss some things on the way back tomorrow," Hurdle said. "We have to reassess who is available tomorrow as well, so that'll be a thought."

Let's hope so.

steve49 · Post by **steve49** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:53 pm

7E7B7C7A7278617C7566606D140 wrote: Hurdle is very patient, often to a fault. It's time to move Watson to lower leverage situations so he can work out his troubles.

Watson now throws 91-92.. once in a while 93. He used to throw 94-95.

johnfluharty · Post by **johnfluharty** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:38 pm

I saw him hit 94 recently, but also saw that 94 get hit hard.

skinnyhorse · Post by **skinnyhorse** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:30 pm

272225232B2138252C3F39344D0 wrote: Watson can pitch in games in which we are way behind or way ahead, or he can come in early in games when we have plenty of time to undo the harm he does. Those are lower leverage than being closer.
What do you consider way ahead, I kinda thought 4 runs were pretty good.