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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:57 pm
by SteadyFreddy
I think Moran has a chance to be very good and hit for high average and hit maybe around 15-20 Homers being a lefty at the short porch in RF. All the videos and highlights I have seen of him so far and he looks very very good. I like his swing and his power potential.

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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:44 pm
by Quail
7D5A4B4F4A57685C4B4A4A572E0 wrote: I think Moran has a chance to be very good and hit for high average and hit maybe around 15-20 Homers being a lefty at the short porch in RF. All the videos and highlights I have seen of him so far and he looks very very good. I like his swing and his power potential.


I sure hope you're right Freddy, but I keep getting these uncomfortable flashbacks of the high expectations for Andy LaRoche.

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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:02 pm
by dmetz
Based on the reports....Moran is incredibly slow. His minor league walk rates are pretty average.   His power numbers were low until last year.  He's got a good arm, but no range and a so-so glove, so no chance to be a plus defender with that makeup, and hasn't been in the minors.



So it seems Moran's value  will rest on whether he can get the ball over the Clemente wall with enough regularity to slug .450+



I'll take the under.

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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:38 pm
by rucker59@gmail.com
7551454D48240 wrote: I think Moran has a chance to be very good and hit for high average and hit maybe around 15-20 Homers being a lefty at the short porch in RF. All the videos and highlights I have seen of him so far and he looks very very good. I like his swing and his power potential.


I sure hope you're right Freddy, but I keep getting these uncomfortable flashbacks of the high expectations for Andy LaRoche.


Andy is the guy I think of as well - but he was a righty. But we’ve yet to see anyone consistently beat the wall in RF. Maybe it’s tougher than we assume.

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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:30 pm
by Aaron
795E4F4B4E536C584F4E4E532A0 wrote: The more I stop and think about things and this roster overall and this lineup believe it or not I still think it’s a fairly decent lineup with a chance to score runs.



Harrison 2nd

Frazier LF

Polanco RF

Bell 1st

Marte CF

Moran 3rd

Cervelli C

Mercer SS






This was one of the worst offenses in the game last year.



We essentially replaced Andrew McCutchen with Colin Moran. Moran may be very good, terrible, or anywhere in between, but he's certainly not going to produce like Cutch.



This offense is most likely going to be really bad. A few guys may step up, but a few guys will likely step back.

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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:12 pm
by IABucFan
I wish the Pirates would continue selling. Trade Harrison, Nova, Cervelli, Freese, Rodriguez, and Hudson--for starters. I would even go so far as to say trade Rivero. He probably brings the best return. If Marte and Polanco have a hot first half, trade them at the deadline, too.



I actually kind of agree that this lineup, and rotation, are not THAT bad. I can envision a scenario in which they are competitive. But, that scenario has us competing in a lousy division, where an 85 win team could luck into a division title. That isn't the case this year. The Cubs, Cards, and probably Brewers will all be good. They're swimming in the deep end of the pool; we're still wallowing around in the baby pool.



This is probably a 72-78 win team. Best case scenario...they might win 85. Worst case, they probably win 65. And, as I've frequently said, if you can't win 90, you may as well not win 60. Second place is the first loser. Tear the whole thing down, and commit to a serious, well-thought out rebuild, centered around Bell and Taillon.

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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:01 am
by SCBucco
646C6F584E6B4C432D0 wrote: I wish the Pirates would continue selling. Trade Harrison, Nova, Cervelli, Freese, Rodriguez, and Hudson--for starters. I would even go so far as to say trade Rivero. He probably brings the best return. If Marte and Polanco have a hot first half, trade them at the deadline, too.



I actually kind of agree that this lineup, and rotation, are not THAT bad. I can envision a scenario in which they are competitive. But, that scenario has us competing in a lousy division, where an 85 win team could luck into a division title. That isn't the case this year. The Cubs, Cards, and probably Brewers will all be good. They're swimming in the deep end of the pool; we're still wallowing around in the baby pool.



This is probably a 72-78 win team. Best case scenario...they might win 85. Worst case, they probably win 65. And, as I've frequently said, if you can't win 90, you may as well not win 60. Second place is the first loser. Tear the whole thing down, and commit to a serious, well-thought out rebuild, centered around Bell and Taillon.


No one will take Cervelli and that contact. He doesn't have much value because of that. The only two that have some sort of value you mentioned are Harrison and Nova.

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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:27 am
by IABucFan
4656576076767A150 wrote: I wish the Pirates would continue selling. Trade Harrison, Nova, Cervelli, Freese, Rodriguez, and Hudson--for starters. I would even go so far as to say trade Rivero. He probably brings the best return. If Marte and Polanco have a hot first half, trade them at the deadline, too.



I actually kind of agree that this lineup, and rotation, are not THAT bad. I can envision a scenario in which they are competitive. But, that scenario has us competing in a lousy division, where an 85 win team could luck into a division title. That isn't the case this year. The Cubs, Cards, and probably Brewers will all be good. They're swimming in the deep end of the pool; we're still wallowing around in the baby pool.



This is probably a 72-78 win team. Best case scenario...they might win 85. Worst case, they probably win 65. And, as I've frequently said, if you can't win 90, you may as well not win 60. Second place is the first loser. Tear the whole thing down, and commit to a serious, well-thought out rebuild, centered around Bell and Taillon.


No one will take Cervelli and that contact.  He doesn't have much value because of that.  The only two that have some sort of value you mentioned are Harrison and Nova.


I disagree. There’s always a taker for a warm body behind the plate.

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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:46 am
by johnfluharty
If we pick up half his contract we can probably move him, but I wouldn't bother unless we can get a solid prospect for him.

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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:41 pm
by Bobster21
6F67645345604748260 wrote: I wish the Pirates would continue selling. Trade Harrison, Nova, Cervelli, Freese, Rodriguez, and Hudson--for starters. I would even go so far as to say trade Rivero. He probably brings the best return. If Marte and Polanco have a hot first half, trade them at the deadline, too.



I actually kind of agree that this lineup, and rotation, are not THAT bad. I can envision a scenario in which they are competitive. But, that scenario has us competing in a lousy division, where an 85 win team could luck into a division title. That isn't the case this year. The Cubs, Cards, and probably Brewers will all be good. They're swimming in the deep end of the pool; we're still wallowing around in the baby pool.



This is probably a 72-78 win team. Best case scenario...they might win 85. Worst case, they probably win 65. And, as I've frequently said, if you can't win 90, you may as well not win 60. Second place is the first loser. Tear the whole thing down, and commit to a serious, well-thought out rebuild, centered around Bell and Taillon.


No one will take Cervelli and that contact.  He doesn't have much value because of that.  The only two that have some sort of value you mentioned are Harrison and Nova.


I disagree. There’s always a taker for a warm body behind the plate.
Not a warm body who comes with a 22 million dollar contract and a history of injuries.