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Iron Man Bell?

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:43 pm
by notes34
51595A6D7B5E7976180 wrote: I don't know that there is a correlation between rest and avoiding injuries other than the obvious that you won't get hurt playing if you don't play. But an injury can occur at any time even if a guy sat out the day before. Occasional rest is fine but Hurdle goes too far. Case in point: Sunday when he held out Cutch, Harrison and Freese (not to mention Diaz who he won't let catch 2 games in a row) just 6 days after the team had a day off.


Agreed, but I do think there is probably a correlation to regular rest and avoiding preventable injuries.  I mean, no one can avoid Chris Coghlin sliding right into your knee.  But the muscle problems, arm fatigue, stuff like that, I think some extra rest can help there.  In fact, I seem to remember an article in either the Trib or PPG that detailed this very fact.



Regardless, I agree with you about Sunday's lineup, and Diaz.  Though, to be fair, Diaz didn't exactly help himself on Saturday night as we were living literally an entire team on base.
I agree with you but the fact that Hurdle rested Cutch, Harrison and Freese on the same day after taking it on the chin the 1st two games of the series was bewildering.

Iron Man Bell?

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:48 pm
by BenM
062B26373021367675440 wrote: I don't know that there is a correlation between rest and avoiding injuries other than the obvious that you won't get hurt playing if you don't play. But an injury can occur at any time even if a guy sat out the day before. Occasional rest is fine but Hurdle goes too far. Case in point: Sunday when he held out Cutch, Harrison and Freese (not to mention Diaz who he won't let catch 2 games in a row) just 6 days after the team had a day off.


There is some research in basketball indicating that players in certain situations are more prone to injury because of insufficient time for the body to recover.



I haven't read anything about that being true in baseball. And while the MLB season is longer than the NBA, I also don't think it is as physically taxing.



I wonder if the analytics brain trust knows something we don't know or if Hurdle is just making this up.

Iron Man Bell?

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:09 pm
by Bobster21
22050E2D600 wrote: I don't know that there is a correlation between rest and avoiding injuries other than the obvious that you won't get hurt playing if you don't play. But an injury can occur at any time even if a guy sat out the day before. Occasional rest is fine but Hurdle goes too far. Case in point: Sunday when he held out Cutch, Harrison and Freese (not to mention Diaz who he won't let catch 2 games in a row) just 6 days after the team had a day off.


There is some research in basketball indicating that players in certain situations are more prone to injury because of insufficient time for the body to recover.



I haven't read anything about that being true in baseball. And while the MLB season is longer than the NBA, I also don't think it is as physically taxing.



I wonder if the analytics brain trust knows something we don't know or if Hurdle is just making this up.
Hurdle has said he bases his approach on resting players on what NBA teams do. Seems silly to me because basketball requires players to be in motion at all times: running, jumping and banging bodies. Baseball is far less taxing. Half the game is spent sitting in the dugout. A guy gets 4-5 ABs a game but is lucky to have to run the bases twice if at all. In the field, a player might get 5-6 balls hit to him in a game. But I don't think Hurdle's idea is to reduce injuries. He wants to keep the players fresh. But by basing his ideas on a different, far more physical sport, his methods seem like overkill.