517477776249747C7E691B0 wrote: I am a Hurdle supporter but this is where I hold him accountable. You don't pull a player out of the game immediately after he makes a mental mistake as that is showing him up in front of the fans. However you should sit down with the player after the game and tell him that he is going to be benched going forward until you are confident that he has learned from the mistake. Set a guideline for mental errors. First offense=1 game. Second offense=3 games, Third offense= 1 week, Fourth=30 games, Fifth=Back to the minors if they have an option etc.
Polanco is starting tonight. I guess he learned his lesson....not.
9/18 vs Brewers. Can it get any more exciting?
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9/18 vs Brewers. Can it get any more exciting?
58535B575253480D0B7C455D545353125F533C0 wrote: You don't think teams in general have strategies? You think it's always situational?
I think game plans can change, but overall I think teams have general strategies. These are based on the talents of the players.
Yes. The 87 cards decided to run. So run they did. Team full of fast guys, who were good at basestealing, minus Jack Clark and Pena. (maybe Tommy Herr too, I don't remember if he could run)
What are the Pirates offensive team strengths? Baserunning? Basestealing?
I think you're right that a team not scoring runs because they have a lineup full of $**ty hitters, is much more likely to be aggressive on the bases.
Unfortunately, we suck at running and basestealing too. One of the worst basestealing teams in baseball. So there goes that idea!
I think game plans can change, but overall I think teams have general strategies. These are based on the talents of the players.
Yes. The 87 cards decided to run. So run they did. Team full of fast guys, who were good at basestealing, minus Jack Clark and Pena. (maybe Tommy Herr too, I don't remember if he could run)
What are the Pirates offensive team strengths? Baserunning? Basestealing?
I think you're right that a team not scoring runs because they have a lineup full of $**ty hitters, is much more likely to be aggressive on the bases.
Unfortunately, we suck at running and basestealing too. One of the worst basestealing teams in baseball. So there goes that idea!
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Bobster21
9/18 vs Brewers. Can it get any more exciting?
58515948463C0 wrote: You don't think teams in general have strategies? You think it's always situational?
I think game plans can change, but overall I think teams have general strategies. These are based on the talents of the players.
Yes. The 87 cards decided to run. So run they did. Team full of fast guys, who were good at basestealing, minus Jack Clark and Pena. (maybe Tommy Herr too, I don't remember if he could run)
What are the Pirates offensive team strengths? Baserunning? Basestealing?
The 2001 Pirates were a very poor hitting team. 2nd worst in the NL in runs scored. Worst in OBP. So Lloyd McClendon decided to institute a running strategy. He was not deterred by the fact that he didn't have the personnel for such a strategy. 1Bman Kevin Young led the team with 15 steals but was thrown out 11 times. Giles was 13 for 19 and Kendall was 13 for 27 in steals. McLendon's strategy resulted in the Pirates leading MLB with 73 caught stealings and the worst SB percentage in MLB (56%). In other words, the team that got the fewest runners on base had the most runners removed from the bases. The moral of the story is that you can't just adopt a strategy and force your personnel to fit into it. If you don't have the right personnel, all you do is make a bad situation even worse.
I think game plans can change, but overall I think teams have general strategies. These are based on the talents of the players.
Yes. The 87 cards decided to run. So run they did. Team full of fast guys, who were good at basestealing, minus Jack Clark and Pena. (maybe Tommy Herr too, I don't remember if he could run)
What are the Pirates offensive team strengths? Baserunning? Basestealing?
The 2001 Pirates were a very poor hitting team. 2nd worst in the NL in runs scored. Worst in OBP. So Lloyd McClendon decided to institute a running strategy. He was not deterred by the fact that he didn't have the personnel for such a strategy. 1Bman Kevin Young led the team with 15 steals but was thrown out 11 times. Giles was 13 for 19 and Kendall was 13 for 27 in steals. McLendon's strategy resulted in the Pirates leading MLB with 73 caught stealings and the worst SB percentage in MLB (56%). In other words, the team that got the fewest runners on base had the most runners removed from the bases. The moral of the story is that you can't just adopt a strategy and force your personnel to fit into it. If you don't have the right personnel, all you do is make a bad situation even worse.
9/18 vs Brewers. Can it get any more exciting?
I have felt for the last few years that CH does that 'run regardless' strategy. They just seemed to run themselves out of so many innings (more last year maybe than this year).
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rucker59@gmail.com
9/18 vs Brewers. Can it get any more exciting?
Re Pirate strategy:
There is none. None in the FO, none in the dugout. There is no identity. There is no strength. There is no plan.
Strategy or not, there is no excuse for Polanco or Diaz boneheaded plays. There is no execuse for an entire season of keystone cops baseball with no accountability not
being part of this organization either. Strategy Is something real MLB teams use, in the same way real MLB teams have competitive payroll or accountability.
There is none. None in the FO, none in the dugout. There is no identity. There is no strength. There is no plan.
Strategy or not, there is no excuse for Polanco or Diaz boneheaded plays. There is no execuse for an entire season of keystone cops baseball with no accountability not
being part of this organization either. Strategy Is something real MLB teams use, in the same way real MLB teams have competitive payroll or accountability.
9/18 vs Brewers. Can it get any more exciting?
3C373F3336372C696F182139303737763B37580 wrote: If you have talent and are scoring runs, you wouldn't need to try to take an extra base or bunt someone over.
What do you do when you aren't scoring is the question?
Get better talent?
What do you do when you aren't scoring is the question?
Get better talent?
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dogknot17@yahoo.co
9/18 vs Brewers. Can it get any more exciting?
466B66777061763635040 wrote: You don't think teams in general have strategies? You think it's always situational?
I think game plans can change, but overall I think teams have general strategies. These are based on the talents of the players.
Yes. The 87 cards decided to run. So run they did. Team full of fast guys, who were good at basestealing, minus Jack Clark and Pena. (maybe Tommy Herr too, I don't remember if he could run)
What are the Pirates offensive team strengths? Baserunning? Basestealing?
The 2001 Pirates were a very poor hitting team. 2nd worst in the NL in runs scored. Worst in OBP. So Lloyd McClendon decided to institute a running strategy. He was not deterred by the fact that he didn't have the personnel for such a strategy. 1Bman Kevin Young led the team with 15 steals but was thrown out 11 times. Giles was 13 for 19 and Kendall was 13 for 27 in steals. McLendon's strategy resulted in the Pirates leading MLB with 73 caught stealings and the worst SB percentage in MLB (56%). In other words, the team that got the fewest runners on base had the most runners removed from the bases. The moral of the story is that you can't just adopt a strategy and force your personnel to fit into it. If you don't have the right personnel, all you do is make a bad situation even worse.
Yes. Proves my point that teams have strategies in place they try to implement no matter what.
Currently, the Pirates have a strategy of pitching inside. They tried that with Jon Niese and it failed. There were scouts saying it wouldn't work for Niese, they were right. I am not sure if the Pirates went away from that strategy eventually for Niese, but what ever they did it did not work.
The Pirates stick with their shifts no matter the score or time in game. They shift one of the highest in all of baseball which is a team strategy.
I think game plans can change, but overall I think teams have general strategies. These are based on the talents of the players.
Yes. The 87 cards decided to run. So run they did. Team full of fast guys, who were good at basestealing, minus Jack Clark and Pena. (maybe Tommy Herr too, I don't remember if he could run)
What are the Pirates offensive team strengths? Baserunning? Basestealing?
The 2001 Pirates were a very poor hitting team. 2nd worst in the NL in runs scored. Worst in OBP. So Lloyd McClendon decided to institute a running strategy. He was not deterred by the fact that he didn't have the personnel for such a strategy. 1Bman Kevin Young led the team with 15 steals but was thrown out 11 times. Giles was 13 for 19 and Kendall was 13 for 27 in steals. McLendon's strategy resulted in the Pirates leading MLB with 73 caught stealings and the worst SB percentage in MLB (56%). In other words, the team that got the fewest runners on base had the most runners removed from the bases. The moral of the story is that you can't just adopt a strategy and force your personnel to fit into it. If you don't have the right personnel, all you do is make a bad situation even worse.
Yes. Proves my point that teams have strategies in place they try to implement no matter what.
Currently, the Pirates have a strategy of pitching inside. They tried that with Jon Niese and it failed. There were scouts saying it wouldn't work for Niese, they were right. I am not sure if the Pirates went away from that strategy eventually for Niese, but what ever they did it did not work.
The Pirates stick with their shifts no matter the score or time in game. They shift one of the highest in all of baseball which is a team strategy.
9/18 vs Brewers. Can it get any more exciting?
252E262A2F2E357076013820292E2E6F222E410 wrote: You don't think teams in general have strategies? You think it's always situational?
I think game plans can change, but overall I think teams have general strategies. These are based on the talents of the players.
Yes. The 87 cards decided to run. So run they did. Team full of fast guys, who were good at basestealing, minus Jack Clark and Pena. (maybe Tommy Herr too, I don't remember if he could run)
What are the Pirates offensive team strengths? Baserunning? Basestealing?
The 2001 Pirates were a very poor hitting team. 2nd worst in the NL in runs scored. Worst in OBP. So Lloyd McClendon decided to institute a running strategy. He was not deterred by the fact that he didn't have the personnel for such a strategy. 1Bman Kevin Young led the team with 15 steals but was thrown out 11 times. Giles was 13 for 19 and Kendall was 13 for 27 in steals. McLendon's strategy resulted in the Pirates leading MLB with 73 caught stealings and the worst SB percentage in MLB (56%). In other words, the team that got the fewest runners on base had the most runners removed from the bases. The moral of the story is that you can't just adopt a strategy and force your personnel to fit into it. If you don't have the right personnel, all you do is make a bad situation even worse.
Yes. Proves my point that teams have strategies in place they try to implement no matter what.
Currently, the Pirates have a strategy of pitching inside. They tried that with Jon Niese and it failed. There were scouts saying it wouldn't work for Niese, they were right. I am not sure if the Pirates went away from that strategy eventually for Niese, but what ever they did it did not work.
The Pirates stick with their shifts no matter the score or time in game. They shift one of the highest in all of baseball which is a team strategy.
The Pirates have no plan or strategy, hence the results. Pretty simple.
I think game plans can change, but overall I think teams have general strategies. These are based on the talents of the players.
Yes. The 87 cards decided to run. So run they did. Team full of fast guys, who were good at basestealing, minus Jack Clark and Pena. (maybe Tommy Herr too, I don't remember if he could run)
What are the Pirates offensive team strengths? Baserunning? Basestealing?
The 2001 Pirates were a very poor hitting team. 2nd worst in the NL in runs scored. Worst in OBP. So Lloyd McClendon decided to institute a running strategy. He was not deterred by the fact that he didn't have the personnel for such a strategy. 1Bman Kevin Young led the team with 15 steals but was thrown out 11 times. Giles was 13 for 19 and Kendall was 13 for 27 in steals. McLendon's strategy resulted in the Pirates leading MLB with 73 caught stealings and the worst SB percentage in MLB (56%). In other words, the team that got the fewest runners on base had the most runners removed from the bases. The moral of the story is that you can't just adopt a strategy and force your personnel to fit into it. If you don't have the right personnel, all you do is make a bad situation even worse.
Yes. Proves my point that teams have strategies in place they try to implement no matter what.
Currently, the Pirates have a strategy of pitching inside. They tried that with Jon Niese and it failed. There were scouts saying it wouldn't work for Niese, they were right. I am not sure if the Pirates went away from that strategy eventually for Niese, but what ever they did it did not work.
The Pirates stick with their shifts no matter the score or time in game. They shift one of the highest in all of baseball which is a team strategy.
The Pirates have no plan or strategy, hence the results. Pretty simple.
9/18 vs Brewers. Can it get any more exciting?
In theory at least, they watch those stats on-going and presumably update the shifts according to situation. I say 'in theory' for obvious reasons. I don't mind the shifts as much as I mind the 'infield in' strategy (which I guess is a defensive shift also). McClendon (I think it was) used to drive me crazy. He'd seen the stat that the team to score first won some large percentage of the time, so would move the infield in even if it was the first inning. To me, that shift is really a last ditch effort to save a game otherwise clearly lost.
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Bobster21
9/18 vs Brewers. Can it get any more exciting?
6D6F757365000 wrote: In theory at least, they watch those stats on-going and presumably update the shifts according to situation. I say 'in theory' for obvious reasons. I don't mind the shifts as much as I mind the 'infield in' strategy (which I guess is a defensive shift also). McClendon (I think it was) used to drive me crazy. He'd seen the stat that the team to score first won some large percentage of the time, so would move the infield in even if it was the first inning. To me, that shift is really a last ditch effort to save a game otherwise clearly lost.
I always had the feeling that McClendon made moves he had seen other mgrs make without understanding why they made them.
I always had the feeling that McClendon made moves he had seen other mgrs make without understanding why they made them.