Rivero
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Rivero
Just thinking, but wondered if anyone would have any thoughts on trying to convert him to a starter next year? Normally, a guy with four plus pitches would be in a rotation. Even if he has to dial it back a bit on the heat ad "only" throw 96-97, I think he could be a very good starter if he got stretched out.
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dogknot17@yahoo.co
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Relievers are failed starters. Rivero is no different. He was a starter in the minors with some higher ERAs. Do you trust the Nationals judgement?
Rivero has had more success in the majors as a reliever compared to the minors as a starter.
I don't know if he can start. I just don't know if I want to find out.
Rivero has had more success in the majors as a reliever compared to the minors as a starter.
I don't know if he can start. I just don't know if I want to find out.
Rivero
6A61696560617A3F394E776F666161206D610E0 wrote: Relievers are failed starters. Rivero is no different. He was a starter in the minors with some higher ERAs. Do you trust the Nationals judgement?
Rivero has had more success in the majors as a reliever compared to the minors as a starter.
I don't know if he can start. I just don't know if I want to find out.
Right, but Rivero was also a failed reliever. Searage fixed him. Perhaps he can fix him as a starter, too. Given that they gave him away to us, no, I don't trust the Nationals judgment on the matter.
If Rivero pitches 80 innings as a reliever with lights out stuff, that's great. If he could pitch 175 innings as a starter with similar lights out stuff, that's better.
Rivero has had more success in the majors as a reliever compared to the minors as a starter.
I don't know if he can start. I just don't know if I want to find out.
Right, but Rivero was also a failed reliever. Searage fixed him. Perhaps he can fix him as a starter, too. Given that they gave him away to us, no, I don't trust the Nationals judgment on the matter.
If Rivero pitches 80 innings as a reliever with lights out stuff, that's great. If he could pitch 175 innings as a starter with similar lights out stuff, that's better.
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johnfluharty
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0C0407302603242B450 wrote: Just thinking, but wondered if anyone would have any thoughts on trying to convert him to a starter next year? Normally, a guy with four plus pitches would be in a rotation. Even if he has to dial it back a bit on the heat ad "only" throw 96-97, I think he could be a very good starter if he got stretched out.
He was a starter for his entire minor league career. I am all for giving it a shot.
He was a starter for his entire minor league career. I am all for giving it a shot.
Rivero
4F4A4D4B4349504D4457515C250 wrote: Just thinking, but wondered if anyone would have any thoughts on trying to convert him to a starter next year? Normally, a guy with four plus pitches would be in a rotation. Even if he has to dial it back a bit on the heat ad "only" throw 96-97, I think he could be a very good starter if he got stretched out.
He was a starter for his entire minor league career. I am all for giving it a shot.
Yes, why not. He has great stuff.
He was a starter for his entire minor league career. I am all for giving it a shot.
Yes, why not. He has great stuff.
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SammyKhalifa
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I guess would you rather him be a great reliever or a mediocre starter. WAR people would say the starter is more valuable. I don't know.
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dogknot17@yahoo.co
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5E56556274517679170 wrote: Relievers are failed starters. Rivero is no different. He was a starter in the minors with some higher ERAs. Do you trust the Nationals judgement?
Rivero has had more success in the majors as a reliever compared to the minors as a starter.
I don't know if he can start. I just don't know if I want to find out.
Right, but Rivero was also a failed reliever. Searage fixed him. Perhaps he can fix him as a starter, too. Given that they gave him away to us, no, I don't trust the Nationals judgment on the matter.
If Rivero pitches 80 innings as a reliever with lights out stuff, that's great. If he could pitch 175 innings as a starter with similar lights out stuff, that's better.
The Nationals didn't give him a away. They got one of the best Closers in return.
I just wonder why he was never tried as a starter in the majors. Or was it the Pirates that decided to leave him in the bullpen?
Rivero has had more success in the majors as a reliever compared to the minors as a starter.
I don't know if he can start. I just don't know if I want to find out.
Right, but Rivero was also a failed reliever. Searage fixed him. Perhaps he can fix him as a starter, too. Given that they gave him away to us, no, I don't trust the Nationals judgment on the matter.
If Rivero pitches 80 innings as a reliever with lights out stuff, that's great. If he could pitch 175 innings as a starter with similar lights out stuff, that's better.
The Nationals didn't give him a away. They got one of the best Closers in return.
I just wonder why he was never tried as a starter in the majors. Or was it the Pirates that decided to leave him in the bullpen?
Rivero
6F5D51514577545D50555A5D3C0 wrote: I guess would you rather him be a great reliever or a mediocre starter. WAR people would say the starter is more valuable. I don't know.
I don't want a mediocre starter. If that's what he is, then I'd say to scrap it. But with that stuff...four plus to plus, plus pitches, I'm stunned that he failed as a starter. There are plenty of ace level guys in MLB right now getting by with considerably less. I don't think he'd be Kershaw, but Kershaw is a once in a generation talent, a certain first ballot Hall of Famer. I think Rivero could be every good as say, Quintana, though. Is 175 innings of Jose Quintana in 2018 more valuable than 80 innings of Felipe Rivero? I'd say yes, personally.
I don't want a mediocre starter. If that's what he is, then I'd say to scrap it. But with that stuff...four plus to plus, plus pitches, I'm stunned that he failed as a starter. There are plenty of ace level guys in MLB right now getting by with considerably less. I don't think he'd be Kershaw, but Kershaw is a once in a generation talent, a certain first ballot Hall of Famer. I think Rivero could be every good as say, Quintana, though. Is 175 innings of Jose Quintana in 2018 more valuable than 80 innings of Felipe Rivero? I'd say yes, personally.
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Bobster21
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7378707C7978632620576E767F7878397478170 wrote: I just wonder why he was never tried as a starter in the majors. Or was it the Pirates that decided to leave him in the bullpen?
He started a lot in the Nats' minors until 2015 when they used him only as a reliever. When he was called up the Nats only used him in the pen.
He started a lot in the Nats' minors until 2015 when they used him only as a reliever. When he was called up the Nats only used him in the pen.
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dogknot17@yahoo.co
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1D303D2C2B3A2D6D6E5F0 wrote: I just wonder why he was never tried as a starter in the majors. Or was it the Pirates that decided to leave him in the bullpen?
He started a lot in the Nats' minors until 2015 when they used him only as a reliever. When he was called up the Nats only used him in the pen.
I don't know why the Nationals didn't try him as a starter in 2016. Was it because they didn't think he could do it, needed him in the bullpen, or was just no room for him in the rotation?
I didn't hear any attempts by the Pirates to stretch him out either. Maybe they think he can be like Chapman and Miller?
He started a lot in the Nats' minors until 2015 when they used him only as a reliever. When he was called up the Nats only used him in the pen.
I don't know why the Nationals didn't try him as a starter in 2016. Was it because they didn't think he could do it, needed him in the bullpen, or was just no room for him in the rotation?
I didn't hear any attempts by the Pirates to stretch him out either. Maybe they think he can be like Chapman and Miller?