1B3D3C2B3D2D5E0 wrote: game day went totally haywire for me. Still has Mike Leake batting in bottom of third at 8:37 central time.
A few days ago, Gameday had Marte at first base, batting, and on deck. I was thinking at the time that an outfield full of Marte's would be cool. I guess it depends on whether all three of him would have been suspended.
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Bobster21
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5F6D61617547646D60656A6D0C0 wrote: Yeah, to be fair I'm always a "play it safe" kind of person.
I guess what bothered me initially is that for some people no matter what decision someone makes, it's the wrong one because we don't like them and we'll go back later and figure out why. Guys get caught stealing? It's the coach's fault! Guys don't score? It's the coach's fault!
I'd rather place the blame on our woes at the feet of our two best hitters, who are off in their respective purgatories for doing bad things. Marte obviously applies only to yesterday.
Or, you know, one of the batters who WERE there but couldn't pull through nine out of ten times last night. Even weak hitting teams should be better than that. Power or not, guys will likely score from second (scoring position) on a single.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of Hurdle but everything's not his fault either. He's handcuffed without Kang and Marte and he has a weak bench. Look at what he had to bring off the bench yesterday: hitless Jaso, useless Gosselin, fringe player Hanson and MLB debut for Osuna with only defensive specialist Stewart left. I like that he's only used 1 reliever in the past 2 games. I like that he realized early on that he needed Frazier in the lineup. I like that he moves Harrison around in the order depending on how he's hitting or not hitting. I like how he's playing Mercer nearly everyday instead of forcing him to rest without an adequate backup. But NH gave him a team with little power and no bench. Then he lost 2 of his best players. This team requires a truly outstanding manager and Hurdle is just average. But everything's not his fault and there's only so much he can do with what he has.
On another front, Bell continues to look awful swinging. Every swing looks like he keeps his body upright with no push from his legs and without getting his arms extended. He makes contact annd he's getting a few soft singles but can't drive the ball that way. Complete opposite of how he looked last year.
I guess what bothered me initially is that for some people no matter what decision someone makes, it's the wrong one because we don't like them and we'll go back later and figure out why. Guys get caught stealing? It's the coach's fault! Guys don't score? It's the coach's fault!
I'd rather place the blame on our woes at the feet of our two best hitters, who are off in their respective purgatories for doing bad things. Marte obviously applies only to yesterday.
Or, you know, one of the batters who WERE there but couldn't pull through nine out of ten times last night. Even weak hitting teams should be better than that. Power or not, guys will likely score from second (scoring position) on a single.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of Hurdle but everything's not his fault either. He's handcuffed without Kang and Marte and he has a weak bench. Look at what he had to bring off the bench yesterday: hitless Jaso, useless Gosselin, fringe player Hanson and MLB debut for Osuna with only defensive specialist Stewart left. I like that he's only used 1 reliever in the past 2 games. I like that he realized early on that he needed Frazier in the lineup. I like that he moves Harrison around in the order depending on how he's hitting or not hitting. I like how he's playing Mercer nearly everyday instead of forcing him to rest without an adequate backup. But NH gave him a team with little power and no bench. Then he lost 2 of his best players. This team requires a truly outstanding manager and Hurdle is just average. But everything's not his fault and there's only so much he can do with what he has.
On another front, Bell continues to look awful swinging. Every swing looks like he keeps his body upright with no push from his legs and without getting his arms extended. He makes contact annd he's getting a few soft singles but can't drive the ball that way. Complete opposite of how he looked last year.
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dogknot17@yahoo.co
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When I used to complain about the managers (Lamont, McClendon, Russell), I was told that all managers act the same way. They all use the same book and make the same moves.
I am starting to believe that. The majority of the moves made by Hurdle are made by the majority of the managers across the league. I do believe in managing and think they matter big time. But not many go outside the box.
Hurdle is a big time leader unlike the guys before him. We know he is in charge, he is respected. That is a big difference and something he brings to the table.
I think Hurdle has cost the team two wins this year so far. Last night was not one of them.
I am starting to believe that. The majority of the moves made by Hurdle are made by the majority of the managers across the league. I do believe in managing and think they matter big time. But not many go outside the box.
Hurdle is a big time leader unlike the guys before him. We know he is in charge, he is respected. That is a big difference and something he brings to the table.
I think Hurdle has cost the team two wins this year so far. Last night was not one of them.
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Bobster21
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6A61696560617A3F394E776F666161206D610E0 wrote: When I used to complain about the managers (Lamont, McClendon, Russell), I was told that all managers act the same way. They all use the same book and make the same moves.
I am starting to believe that. The majority of the moves made by Hurdle are made by the majority of the managers across the league. I do believe in managing and think they matter big time. But not many go outside the box.
Hurdle is a big time leader unlike the guys before him. We know he is in charge, he is respected. That is a big difference and something he brings to the table.
I think Hurdle has cost the team two wins this year so far. Last night was not one of them.
Yes, it seems most managers stick to the same formulas. I grew up on Murtaugh, Tanner, Leyland. I watched Weaver and now Showalter (who I think is very good) in Baltimore. It's hard now to accept the cookie cutter managers. Most are all the same. I think the Pirates need an exceptional manager since they aren't going to overpower other teams with their talent. So it disappoints me to see Hurdle just be one of the pack of average managers. The things I often take issue with regarding him are the same things most other managers today also do. But it's just not enough. But as I said, I don't fault Hurdle for anything last night.
I am starting to believe that. The majority of the moves made by Hurdle are made by the majority of the managers across the league. I do believe in managing and think they matter big time. But not many go outside the box.
Hurdle is a big time leader unlike the guys before him. We know he is in charge, he is respected. That is a big difference and something he brings to the table.
I think Hurdle has cost the team two wins this year so far. Last night was not one of them.
Yes, it seems most managers stick to the same formulas. I grew up on Murtaugh, Tanner, Leyland. I watched Weaver and now Showalter (who I think is very good) in Baltimore. It's hard now to accept the cookie cutter managers. Most are all the same. I think the Pirates need an exceptional manager since they aren't going to overpower other teams with their talent. So it disappoints me to see Hurdle just be one of the pack of average managers. The things I often take issue with regarding him are the same things most other managers today also do. But it's just not enough. But as I said, I don't fault Hurdle for anything last night.
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SammyKhalifa
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5D707D6C6B7A6D2D2E1F0 wrote: Yeah, to be fair I'm always a "play it safe" kind of person.
I guess what bothered me initially is that for some people no matter what decision someone makes, it's the wrong one because we don't like them and we'll go back later and figure out why. Guys get caught stealing? It's the coach's fault! Guys don't score? It's the coach's fault!
I'd rather place the blame on our woes at the feet of our two best hitters, who are off in their respective purgatories for doing bad things. Marte obviously applies only to yesterday.
Or, you know, one of the batters who WERE there but couldn't pull through nine out of ten times last night. Even weak hitting teams should be better than that. Power or not, guys will likely score from second (scoring position) on a single.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of Hurdle but everything's not his fault either. He's handcuffed without Kang and Marte and he has a weak bench. Look at what he had to bring off the bench yesterday: hitless Jaso, useless Gosselin, fringe player Hanson and MLB debut for Osuna with only defensive specialist Stewart left. I like that he's only used 1 reliever in the past 2 games. I like that he realized early on that he needed Frazier in the lineup. I like that he moves Harrison around in the order depending on how he's hitting or not hitting. I like how he's playing Mercer nearly everyday instead of forcing him to rest without an adequate backup. But NH gave him a team with little power and no bench. Then he lost 2 of his best players. This team requires a truly outstanding manager and Hurdle is just average. But everything's not his fault and there's only so much he can do with what he has.
On another front, Bell continues to look awful swinging. Every swing looks like he keeps his body upright with no push from his legs and without getting his arms extended. He makes contact annd he's getting a few soft singles but can't drive the ball that way. Complete opposite of how he looked last year.
That's fair. I can see the bunting or running if you're really struggling getting guys on, but that doesn't seem to be the case last night. We had to have guys in scoring position last night if we were able to manage 10 at bats to try to drive one of them in, batting .100 in doing so.
Surely there is an extremely limited number of coaching decisions available, if collectively your team suddenly hits like a bad-hitting pitcher when run-producing opportunities arise.
I guess what bothered me initially is that for some people no matter what decision someone makes, it's the wrong one because we don't like them and we'll go back later and figure out why. Guys get caught stealing? It's the coach's fault! Guys don't score? It's the coach's fault!
I'd rather place the blame on our woes at the feet of our two best hitters, who are off in their respective purgatories for doing bad things. Marte obviously applies only to yesterday.
Or, you know, one of the batters who WERE there but couldn't pull through nine out of ten times last night. Even weak hitting teams should be better than that. Power or not, guys will likely score from second (scoring position) on a single.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of Hurdle but everything's not his fault either. He's handcuffed without Kang and Marte and he has a weak bench. Look at what he had to bring off the bench yesterday: hitless Jaso, useless Gosselin, fringe player Hanson and MLB debut for Osuna with only defensive specialist Stewart left. I like that he's only used 1 reliever in the past 2 games. I like that he realized early on that he needed Frazier in the lineup. I like that he moves Harrison around in the order depending on how he's hitting or not hitting. I like how he's playing Mercer nearly everyday instead of forcing him to rest without an adequate backup. But NH gave him a team with little power and no bench. Then he lost 2 of his best players. This team requires a truly outstanding manager and Hurdle is just average. But everything's not his fault and there's only so much he can do with what he has.
On another front, Bell continues to look awful swinging. Every swing looks like he keeps his body upright with no push from his legs and without getting his arms extended. He makes contact annd he's getting a few soft singles but can't drive the ball that way. Complete opposite of how he looked last year.
That's fair. I can see the bunting or running if you're really struggling getting guys on, but that doesn't seem to be the case last night. We had to have guys in scoring position last night if we were able to manage 10 at bats to try to drive one of them in, batting .100 in doing so.
Surely there is an extremely limited number of coaching decisions available, if collectively your team suddenly hits like a bad-hitting pitcher when run-producing opportunities arise.
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skinnyhorse
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Exactly if we had the Detroit lineup this would be stupid but we don't we've scored 1 run each game the last 2 nights. We don't have big boppers so base to base baseball in general doesn't work with our lineup. No matter what you have to get that runner to second to try and score. Fortunately Cervelli got a hit but he could just have easily hit into a double play you have to be running no matter what 1 run down in the ninth. We weren't we didn't and oh well it's just another loss. Frustrated.
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dogknot17@yahoo.co
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41595B5C5C4B5A5D404157320 wrote: Exactly if we had the Detroit lineup this would be stupid but we don't we've scored 1 run each game the last 2 nights. We don't have big boppers so base to base baseball in general doesn't work with our lineup. No matter what you have to get that runner to second to try and score. Fortunately Cervelli got a hit but he could just have easily hit into a double play you have to be running no matter what 1 run down in the ninth. We weren't we didn't and oh well it's just another loss. Frustrated.
There are more consequences you aren't factoring in.
Cervelli got the runner to second with out wasting an out. That wasn't the issue. The issue was once they got to second, they didn't score.
There are more consequences you aren't factoring in.
Cervelli got the runner to second with out wasting an out. That wasn't the issue. The issue was once they got to second, they didn't score.
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skinnyhorse
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353E363A3F3E256066112830393E3E7F323E510 wrote: Exactly if we had the Detroit lineup this would be stupid but we don't we've scored 1 run each game the last 2 nights. We don't have big boppers so base to base baseball in general doesn't work with our lineup. No matter what you have to get that runner to second to try and score. Fortunately Cervelli got a hit but he could just have easily hit into a double play you have to be running no matter what 1 run down in the ninth. We weren't we didn't and oh well it's just another loss. Frustrated.
There are more consequences you aren't factoring in.
Cervelli got the runner to second with out wasting an out. That wasn't the issue. The issue was once they got to second, they didn't score.
No you're not factoring in if he'd been running he would have been at 3rd not 2nd.
There are more consequences you aren't factoring in.
Cervelli got the runner to second with out wasting an out. That wasn't the issue. The issue was once they got to second, they didn't score.
No you're not factoring in if he'd been running he would have been at 3rd not 2nd.
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dogknot17@yahoo.co
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No, you are assuming the hit. If he misses the pitch, he could be thrown out at second. If Cervelli has two strikes, then that is a double play. The smart play is to keep your tying run alive.