5/19 game vs Phillies

Bobster21 · Post by **Bobster21** » Sat May 20, 2017 1:45 am

In all seriousness, I think a big part of Hurdle's problem is that in 15 years as a manager he's managed only 4 winning teams. He seems too accustomed to leading a team in the developmental stage. By that I mean, rather than making all the logical moves to put his players and team in the best situation to win, he's far too concerned with resting hot players to give someone else a chance, leaving struggling pitchers in so that they can learn, removing effective pitchers by pitch counts or by formulas. He just seems to me to be stuck in the gear of trying to develop players as if winning is secondary.

skinnyhorse · Post by **skinnyhorse** » Sat May 20, 2017 1:47 am

664B46575041561615240 wrote: Hurdled...3-2...another loss coming
As I watch the Bucs go hitless after the 2nd batter of the first inning, I am encouraged by the fact the Frazier is getting a rest after playing on 3 consecutive days.

Hurdle being Hurdle just makes no sense you would set your hottest hitter to start a series.

skinnyhorse · Post by **skinnyhorse** » Sat May 20, 2017 1:49 am

596F6E797273697B587569691A0 wrote: Time to fire Hurdle
Yes

skinnyhorse · Post by **skinnyhorse** » Sat May 20, 2017 1:53 am

5B767B6A6D7C6B2B28190 wrote: In all seriousness, I think a big part of Hurdle's problem is that in 15 years as a manager he's managed only 4 winning teams. He seems too accustomed to leading a team in the developmental stage. By that I mean, rather than making all the logical moves to put his players and team in the best situation to win, he's far too concerned with resting hot players to give someone else a chance, leaving struggling pitchers in so that they can learn, removing effective pitchers by pitch counts or by formulas. He just seems to me to be stuck in the gear of trying to develop players as if winning is secondary.
I think you may be giving him to much credit. I just think he can't stand winning.

Bobster21 · Post by **Bobster21** » Sat May 20, 2017 1:57 am

70686A6D6D7A6B6C717066030 wrote: In all seriousness, I think a big part of Hurdle's problem is that in 15 years as a manager he's managed only 4 winning teams. He seems too accustomed to leading a team in the developmental stage. By that I mean, rather than making all the logical moves to put his players and team in the best situation to win, he's far too concerned with resting hot players to give someone else a chance, leaving struggling pitchers in so that they can learn, removing effective pitchers by pitch counts or by formulas. He just seems to me to be stuck in the gear of trying to develop players as if winning is secondary.
I think you may be giving him to much credit. I just think he can't stand winning.
Do you think he suffers from winnaphobia?

rucker59@gmail.com · Post by **rucker59@gmail.com** » Sat May 20, 2017 1:57 am

Watson's career with Boras off to an awesome start.

Why do I immediately have a problem with players who decide to be represented by Boras?

Just trade the guy.

Bobster21 · Post by **Bobster21** » Sat May 20, 2017 1:59 am

4B4C5A525C4B0C00795E54585055175A5654390 wrote: Watson's career with Boras off to an awesome start.

Why do I immediately have a problem with players who decide to be represented by Boras?

Just trade the guy.
Boras might be looking for a loophole to void the contract.

skinnyhorse · Post by **skinnyhorse** » Sat May 20, 2017 2:06 am

765B56474051460605340 wrote: In all seriousness, I think a big part of Hurdle's problem is that in 15 years as a manager he's managed only 4 winning teams. He seems too accustomed to leading a team in the developmental stage. By that I mean, rather than making all the logical moves to put his players and team in the best situation to win, he's far too concerned with resting hot players to give someone else a chance, leaving struggling pitchers in so that they can learn, removing effective pitchers by pitch counts or by formulas. He just seems to me to be stuck in the gear of trying to develop players as if winning is secondary.
I think you may be giving him to much credit. I just think he can't stand winning.
Do you think he suffers from winnaphobia?

Something like that.

dogknot17@yahoo.co · Post by **dogknot17@yahoo.co** » Sat May 20, 2017 2:53 pm

Watson had sone bad luck again. Where was Harrison on that pop fly? Was he too far over towards second base? Such a tough play for Bell. Osuna was just jogging in too.

Then Freese makes a bad throw. Watson just put his head down. Not sure if anything was said to Freese by Watson or vice versa, but there was no "love tap" to Freese from Watson either.

Two hits won't score many runs either.

Bobster21 · Post by **Bobster21** » Sat May 20, 2017 4:25 pm

6F646C6065647F3A3C4B726A6364642568640B0 wrote: Watson had sone bad luck again. Where was Harrison on that pop fly? Was he too far over towards second base? Such a tough play for Bell. Osuna was just jogging in too.

Then Freese makes a bad throw. Watson just put his head down. Not sure if anything was said to Freese by Watson or vice versa, but there was no "love tap" to Freese from Watson either.

Two hits won't score many runs either.
For a guy who's put runners on base in EVERY one of his appearances but had a great ERA until last night, I'd say his luck has been pretty darned good. It caught up to him last night when he got a couple bad breaks. But then it was Watson who compounded the problem by serving up the HR ball after that.

17.2 IP

22 hits,

7 BBs

3 HBP

1.642 WHIP