Hinch throws book out the window

skinnyhorse · Post by **skinnyhorse** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:14 am

Just watched the Astro's beat the Dodgers and a manager who manged with his eyes and not the book. Hope Clint Hurdle was watching he and lots of other manager could learn a lot from AJ. I get so tired of Hurdle turning over a game to his 8th inning guy and then the closer for the ninth no matter what. So stupid, AJ just showed how it should be done.

IABucFan · Post by **IABucFan** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 5:20 am

One game, with at most four games left in the year. Hinch didn’t manage like that in the regular season.

Bobster21 · Post by **Bobster21** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:32 pm

20383A3D3D2A3B3C212036530 wrote: Just watched the Astro's beat the Dodgers and a manager who manged with his eyes and not the book. Hope Clint Hurdle was watching he and lots of other manager could learn a lot from AJ. I get so tired of Hurdle turning over a game to his 8th inning guy and then the closer for the ninth no matter what. So stupid, AJ just showed how it should be done.
Good for Hinch! If it ain't broke, don't fix it. My feeling is that if the mgr has to hope that a new pitcher can do as well as the guy's who's being removed, then he probably shouldn't be removed. That strategy worked for about the first 100 years of MLB until Tony LaRussa decided he had to have specialists for each late inning and everyone else fell into line. Nice to see some common sense managing. Very rare in this day and age of MLB.

SammyKhalifa · Post by **SammyKhalifa** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:56 pm

Uh, wade leblanc and Steven brault both had 3 inning saves for the pirates this year. Those weren't even in the world series.

Bobster21 · Post by **Bobster21** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:59 pm

675559594D7F5C55585D5255340 wrote: Uh, wade leblanc and Steven brault both had 3 inning saves for the pirates this year. Those weren't even in the world series.
Yes, but big differences. LeBlanc entered the game ahead 12-3 and Brault entered the game ahead 10-1. It was mop up duty and pointless to waste another pitcher in a blow out. Furthermore, had they come out it would not have been a save situation for the closer. Peacock entered a World Series game in the 6th with runners at 2nd and 3rd and 1 out. Ground out and WP made it 5-3. He remained in the game protecting a 2-run lead and went 3.2 innings, 0 hits, 1 BB, 4 Ks. I don't think that's comparable to allowing guys to pitch longer in blowouts.

dogknot17@yahoo.co · Post by **dogknot17@yahoo.co** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:28 pm

Peacock finished nicely, but he is a starting pitcher. It is very unusual to bring in a starter to relieve games. Do you want Hurdle to bring in Taillon or Nova in relief?

There has been a lot of moves the last two years in the post season that teams didn't practice during the regular season.

skinnyhorse · Post by **skinnyhorse** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:46 pm

6A61696560617A3F394E776F666161206D610E0 wrote: Peacock finished nicely, but he is a starting pitcher. It is very unusual to bring in a starter to relieve games. Do you want Hurdle to bring in Taillon or Nova in relief?

There has been a lot of moves the last two years in the post season that teams didn't practice during the regular season.
Does anyone on here really believe CH would not have brought in his 8th inning guy and his 9th in guy in the same situation. If you do you either haven't been watching the Pirates during his tenure or just want to argue. The announcers were commenting on Hinch was managing with his eyes and not the book.

dogknot17@yahoo.co · Post by **dogknot17@yahoo.co** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 5:42 pm

Hinch hasn't been managing like that all year. Once Peacock was a starter, he hasn't come in relief. Hinch also used Verlander in relief in this post season. This isn't something Hinch always does.

I assume the Astros had a plan to use McCullers and Peacock together since they both wouldn't get a start.

I would be surprised if Hurdle did that for sure. Like I said, there has been some very unusual moves this year and last year in the post season. Especially, the use of the pitchers. Going forward, do you want Hurdle to bring in a starter for relief?

Ecbucs · Post by **Ecbucs** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 8:27 pm

373C34383D3C276264132A323B3C3C7D303C530 wrote: Hinch hasn't been managing like that all year. Once Peacock was a starter, he hasn't come in relief. Hinch also used Verlander in relief in this post season. This isn't something Hinch always does.

I assume the Astros had a plan to use McCullers and Peacock together since they both wouldn't get a start.

I would be surprised if Hurdle did that for sure. Like I said, there has been some very unusual moves this year and last year in the post season. Especially, the use of the pitchers. Going forward, do you want Hurdle to bring in a starter for relief?
I would love for Hurdle to have a chance to use a starter

in relief in World Series

Bobster21 · Post by **Bobster21** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 8:30 pm

7279717D7879622721566F777E7979387579160 wrote: Hinch hasn't been managing like that all year. Once Peacock was a starter, he hasn't come in relief. Hinch also used Verlander in relief in this post season. This isn't something Hinch always does.

I assume the Astros had a plan to use McCullers and Peacock together since they both wouldn't get a start.

I would be surprised if Hurdle did that for sure. Like I said, there has been some very unusual moves this year and last year in the post season. Especially, the use of the pitchers. Going forward, do you want Hurdle to bring in a starter for relief?
That's not the point. Regardless of who was pitching in relief, the common strategy with a 2-run lead is to get to the 8th and then use your 8th inning guy and then go to the closer in the 9th. The fact that the reliever in the game was normally a starter is less significant than the fact that Hinch didn't follow normal 8th and 9th inning protocol.