I agree that Yelich is a much better player than Polanco, but defensively Polanco has accumulated a significantly greater number of OF assists. His range factor and error rate are considerably inferior to Yelich, but apparently Polanco possesses a superior arm.
The problem with Polanco of course has been that his good tool set doesn't translate into a consistently good ballplayer on the field. He may be fast but his defensive range is below average and so is his ability to steal bases versus number of times caught stealing. His arm may be outstanding but he's awkward and prone to take bad routes to balls hit in his direction. He's a big strong guy but his power numbers are poor for a corner outfielder. After 4 years in the majors about the only thing we can say about Polanco is that he's not lived up to any of his potential yet. Yelich on the other hand has consistently demonstrated that he's a good hitting, Gold Glove calibre major league outfielder.
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johnfluharty
Brewers Interested in Yelich
2229212D2829327771063F272E2929682529460 wrote: I can post it again. I did say why and used some key words.
"In 2016, Polanco put up 22 HRs, 86 RBIs, and a .786 OPS. Yelich has never hit that many HRs and has a career .800 OPS. So yes, I think Polanco's bat can be identical to Yelich's."
Is Polanco really that far off? I know people don't like Polanco and think he is a bust, but his one good season is pretty close to what Yelich has done on average.
WAR is a terrible stat. Fun to look at, but it uses way too many estimates. I didn't say Polanco was as good or is better than Yelich. I said in 2016, Polanco had a similar year to what Yelich has done.
A lot of guys are long on potential and short on success. Don't bank on Polanco breaking out. I really hope he does. I hope he surpasses Yelich- but I am not going to expect it.
"In 2016, Polanco put up 22 HRs, 86 RBIs, and a .786 OPS. Yelich has never hit that many HRs and has a career .800 OPS. So yes, I think Polanco's bat can be identical to Yelich's."
Is Polanco really that far off? I know people don't like Polanco and think he is a bust, but his one good season is pretty close to what Yelich has done on average.
WAR is a terrible stat. Fun to look at, but it uses way too many estimates. I didn't say Polanco was as good or is better than Yelich. I said in 2016, Polanco had a similar year to what Yelich has done.
A lot of guys are long on potential and short on success. Don't bank on Polanco breaking out. I really hope he does. I hope he surpasses Yelich- but I am not going to expect it.
Brewers Interested in Yelich
725F52434455420201300 wrote: Cool! You don't like WAR. Do you like W/oba? How about Slugging? The only thing keeping Polanco's WAR at replacement level last year was his defense, so using WAR in comparing them helps Polanco, not Yelich. If you judge them by conventional metrics, the contrast is even greater!
Regarding Polanco, my observation:
His lack of work ethic and focus shows through every facet of his game. While other toolsy players develop and refine, Polanco gets sloppier.
Add in the constant lower body injuries and you've got a guy approaching bust status about as much as you have a guy ready to break out. Could go either way. Polanco is a wildcard. He has talent. Horray! Big deal. The big leagues are littered with talented players who couldn't refine.
Maybe the most likely outcome at this point is for him to be replacement level one year, solid the next and so on and so forth. An erratic, sub-standard, DL marred career.
Comparing him to a hypothetical Yelich doesn't even matter. Yelich isn't coming here. but regarding the comparison between them...Hope and prayer aren't a strategy, they're a religion.
If you can cartwheel yourself into believing Polanco and Yelich are comparable, you can do just about anything. I'm VERY Jealous. I wish I could do that.
Dmetz, I too am not a fan of WAR. Are you saying his defensive WAR last year was good? That seems odd if true.
Yes. Polanco is a plus RF by defensive metrics.
Regarding Polanco, my observation:
His lack of work ethic and focus shows through every facet of his game. While other toolsy players develop and refine, Polanco gets sloppier.
Add in the constant lower body injuries and you've got a guy approaching bust status about as much as you have a guy ready to break out. Could go either way. Polanco is a wildcard. He has talent. Horray! Big deal. The big leagues are littered with talented players who couldn't refine.
Maybe the most likely outcome at this point is for him to be replacement level one year, solid the next and so on and so forth. An erratic, sub-standard, DL marred career.
Comparing him to a hypothetical Yelich doesn't even matter. Yelich isn't coming here. but regarding the comparison between them...Hope and prayer aren't a strategy, they're a religion.
If you can cartwheel yourself into believing Polanco and Yelich are comparable, you can do just about anything. I'm VERY Jealous. I wish I could do that.
Dmetz, I too am not a fan of WAR. Are you saying his defensive WAR last year was good? That seems odd if true.
Yes. Polanco is a plus RF by defensive metrics.
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Bobster21
Brewers Interested in Yelich
3F363E2F215B0 wrote: Cool! You don't like WAR. Do you like W/oba? How about Slugging? The only thing keeping Polanco's WAR at replacement level last year was his defense, so using WAR in comparing them helps Polanco, not Yelich. If you judge them by conventional metrics, the contrast is even greater!
Regarding Polanco, my observation:
His lack of work ethic and focus shows through every facet of his game. While other toolsy players develop and refine, Polanco gets sloppier.
Add in the constant lower body injuries and you've got a guy approaching bust status about as much as you have a guy ready to break out. Could go either way. Polanco is a wildcard. He has talent. Horray! Big deal. The big leagues are littered with talented players who couldn't refine.
Maybe the most likely outcome at this point is for him to be replacement level one year, solid the next and so on and so forth. An erratic, sub-standard, DL marred career.
Comparing him to a hypothetical Yelich doesn't even matter. Yelich isn't coming here. but regarding the comparison between them...Hope and prayer aren't a strategy, they're a religion.
If you can cartwheel yourself into believing Polanco and Yelich are comparable, you can do just about anything. I'm VERY Jealous. I wish I could do that.
Dmetz, I too am not a fan of WAR. Are you saying his defensive WAR last year was good? That seems odd if true.
Yes. Polanco is a plus RF by defensive metrics.
Wow. Having watched him play (and cringing whenever a ball is hit his way), it makes it hard to take that WAR seriously.
Regarding Polanco, my observation:
His lack of work ethic and focus shows through every facet of his game. While other toolsy players develop and refine, Polanco gets sloppier.
Add in the constant lower body injuries and you've got a guy approaching bust status about as much as you have a guy ready to break out. Could go either way. Polanco is a wildcard. He has talent. Horray! Big deal. The big leagues are littered with talented players who couldn't refine.
Maybe the most likely outcome at this point is for him to be replacement level one year, solid the next and so on and so forth. An erratic, sub-standard, DL marred career.
Comparing him to a hypothetical Yelich doesn't even matter. Yelich isn't coming here. but regarding the comparison between them...Hope and prayer aren't a strategy, they're a religion.
If you can cartwheel yourself into believing Polanco and Yelich are comparable, you can do just about anything. I'm VERY Jealous. I wish I could do that.
Dmetz, I too am not a fan of WAR. Are you saying his defensive WAR last year was good? That seems odd if true.
Yes. Polanco is a plus RF by defensive metrics.
Wow. Having watched him play (and cringing whenever a ball is hit his way), it makes it hard to take that WAR seriously.
Brewers Interested in Yelich
3A3F383E363C253831222429500 wrote: I can post it again. I did say why and used some key words.
"In 2016, Polanco put up 22 HRs, 86 RBIs, and a .786 OPS. Yelich has never hit that many HRs and has a career .800 OPS. So yes, I think Polanco's bat can be identical to Yelich's."
Is Polanco really that far off? I know people don't like Polanco and think he is a bust, but his one good season is pretty close to what Yelich has done on average.
WAR is a terrible stat. Fun to look at, but it uses way too many estimates. I didn't say Polanco was as good or is better than Yelich. I said in 2016, Polanco had a similar year to what Yelich has done.
A lot of guys are long on potential and short on success. Don't bank on Polanco breaking out. I really hope he does. I hope he surpasses Yelich- but I am not going to expect it.
Agree with it on Polanco. He looks the part for sure, but something isn't clicking exactly - like consistency.
By the way, Yelich traded to Milwaukee. Can't wait to see who the Brewers gave up. They don't have a great farm system. This is going to be a big missed opportunity for the Pirates to prove they are committed in fielding a competitive team.
"In 2016, Polanco put up 22 HRs, 86 RBIs, and a .786 OPS. Yelich has never hit that many HRs and has a career .800 OPS. So yes, I think Polanco's bat can be identical to Yelich's."
Is Polanco really that far off? I know people don't like Polanco and think he is a bust, but his one good season is pretty close to what Yelich has done on average.
WAR is a terrible stat. Fun to look at, but it uses way too many estimates. I didn't say Polanco was as good or is better than Yelich. I said in 2016, Polanco had a similar year to what Yelich has done.
A lot of guys are long on potential and short on success. Don't bank on Polanco breaking out. I really hope he does. I hope he surpasses Yelich- but I am not going to expect it.
Agree with it on Polanco. He looks the part for sure, but something isn't clicking exactly - like consistency.
By the way, Yelich traded to Milwaukee. Can't wait to see who the Brewers gave up. They don't have a great farm system. This is going to be a big missed opportunity for the Pirates to prove they are committed in fielding a competitive team.
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DemDog
Brewers Interested in Yelich
1733272F2A460 wrote: I agree that Yelich is a much better player than Polanco, but defensively Polanco has accumulated a significantly greater number of OF assists. His range factor and error rate are considerably inferior to Yelich, but apparently Polanco possesses a superior arm.
The problem with Polanco of course has been that his good tool set doesn't translate into a consistently good ballplayer on the field. He may be fast but his defensive range is below average and so is his ability to steal bases versus number of times caught stealing. His arm may be outstanding but he's awkward and prone to take bad routes to balls hit in his direction. He's a big strong guy but his power numbers are poor for a corner outfielder. After 4 years in the majors about the only thing we can say about Polanco is that he's not lived up to any of his potential yet. Yelich on the other hand has consistently demonstrated that he's a good hitting, Gold Glove calibre major league outfielder.
He needs some route to the ball instruction from the original Quail. As you know he was great at chasing down fly balls in FF. Oh to see him do it again.
The problem with Polanco of course has been that his good tool set doesn't translate into a consistently good ballplayer on the field. He may be fast but his defensive range is below average and so is his ability to steal bases versus number of times caught stealing. His arm may be outstanding but he's awkward and prone to take bad routes to balls hit in his direction. He's a big strong guy but his power numbers are poor for a corner outfielder. After 4 years in the majors about the only thing we can say about Polanco is that he's not lived up to any of his potential yet. Yelich on the other hand has consistently demonstrated that he's a good hitting, Gold Glove calibre major league outfielder.
He needs some route to the ball instruction from the original Quail. As you know he was great at chasing down fly balls in FF. Oh to see him do it again.
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Bobster21
Brewers Interested in Yelich
7363625543434F200 wrote: I can post it again. I did say why and used some key words.
"In 2016, Polanco put up 22 HRs, 86 RBIs, and a .786 OPS. Yelich has never hit that many HRs and has a career .800 OPS. So yes, I think Polanco's bat can be identical to Yelich's."
Is Polanco really that far off? I know people don't like Polanco and think he is a bust, but his one good season is pretty close to what Yelich has done on average.
WAR is a terrible stat. Fun to look at, but it uses way too many estimates. I didn't say Polanco was as good or is better than Yelich. I said in 2016, Polanco had a similar year to what Yelich has done.
A lot of guys are long on potential and short on success. Don't bank on Polanco breaking out. I really hope he does. I hope he surpasses Yelich- but I am not going to expect it.
Agree with it on Polanco. He looks the part for sure, but something isn't clicking exactly - like consistency.
By the way, Yelich traded to Milwaukee. Can't wait to see who the Brewers gave up. They don't have a great farm system. This is going to be a big missed opportunity for the Pirates to prove they are committed in fielding a competitive team.
This was another example of the Pirates aggressively pursuing the opportunity to not add.
"In 2016, Polanco put up 22 HRs, 86 RBIs, and a .786 OPS. Yelich has never hit that many HRs and has a career .800 OPS. So yes, I think Polanco's bat can be identical to Yelich's."
Is Polanco really that far off? I know people don't like Polanco and think he is a bust, but his one good season is pretty close to what Yelich has done on average.
WAR is a terrible stat. Fun to look at, but it uses way too many estimates. I didn't say Polanco was as good or is better than Yelich. I said in 2016, Polanco had a similar year to what Yelich has done.
A lot of guys are long on potential and short on success. Don't bank on Polanco breaking out. I really hope he does. I hope he surpasses Yelich- but I am not going to expect it.
Agree with it on Polanco. He looks the part for sure, but something isn't clicking exactly - like consistency.
By the way, Yelich traded to Milwaukee. Can't wait to see who the Brewers gave up. They don't have a great farm system. This is going to be a big missed opportunity for the Pirates to prove they are committed in fielding a competitive team.
This was another example of the Pirates aggressively pursuing the opportunity to not add.
Brewers Interested in Yelich
103D30212637206063520 wrote: I can post it again. I did say why and used some key words.
"In 2016, Polanco put up 22 HRs, 86 RBIs, and a .786 OPS. Yelich has never hit that many HRs and has a career .800 OPS. So yes, I think Polanco's bat can be identical to Yelich's."
Is Polanco really that far off? I know people don't like Polanco and think he is a bust, but his one good season is pretty close to what Yelich has done on average.
WAR is a terrible stat. Fun to look at, but it uses way too many estimates. I didn't say Polanco was as good or is better than Yelich. I said in 2016, Polanco had a similar year to what Yelich has done.
A lot of guys are long on potential and short on success. Don't bank on Polanco breaking out. I really hope he does. I hope he surpasses Yelich- but I am not going to expect it.
Agree with it on Polanco. He looks the part for sure, but something isn't clicking exactly - like consistency.
By the way, Yelich traded to Milwaukee. Can't wait to see who the Brewers gave up. They don't have a great farm system. This is going to be a big missed opportunity for the Pirates to prove they are committed in fielding a competitive team.
This was another example of the Pirates aggressively pursuing the opportunity to not add.
this move will come back to destroy Brewers. Will hurt them payroll wise plus loss of prospects. They are playing right into the Pirates hands.
NH and Bob Nutting will show them what a contender really looks like.
"In 2016, Polanco put up 22 HRs, 86 RBIs, and a .786 OPS. Yelich has never hit that many HRs and has a career .800 OPS. So yes, I think Polanco's bat can be identical to Yelich's."
Is Polanco really that far off? I know people don't like Polanco and think he is a bust, but his one good season is pretty close to what Yelich has done on average.
WAR is a terrible stat. Fun to look at, but it uses way too many estimates. I didn't say Polanco was as good or is better than Yelich. I said in 2016, Polanco had a similar year to what Yelich has done.
A lot of guys are long on potential and short on success. Don't bank on Polanco breaking out. I really hope he does. I hope he surpasses Yelich- but I am not going to expect it.
Agree with it on Polanco. He looks the part for sure, but something isn't clicking exactly - like consistency.
By the way, Yelich traded to Milwaukee. Can't wait to see who the Brewers gave up. They don't have a great farm system. This is going to be a big missed opportunity for the Pirates to prove they are committed in fielding a competitive team.
This was another example of the Pirates aggressively pursuing the opportunity to not add.
this move will come back to destroy Brewers. Will hurt them payroll wise plus loss of prospects. They are playing right into the Pirates hands.
NH and Bob Nutting will show them what a contender really looks like.
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Bobster21
Brewers Interested in Yelich
0B2D2C3B2D3D4E0 wrote:
this move will come back to destroy Brewers. Will hurt them payroll wise plus loss of prospects. They are playing right into the Pirates hands.
NH and Bob Nutting will show them what a contender really looks like.
this move will come back to destroy Brewers. Will hurt them payroll wise plus loss of prospects. They are playing right into the Pirates hands.
NH and Bob Nutting will show them what a contender really looks like.
Brewers Interested in Yelich
597F7E697F6F1C0 wrote: I can post it again. I did say why and used some key words.
"In 2016, Polanco put up 22 HRs, 86 RBIs, and a .786 OPS. Yelich has never hit that many HRs and has a career .800 OPS. So yes, I think Polanco's bat can be identical to Yelich's."
Is Polanco really that far off? I know people don't like Polanco and think he is a bust, but his one good season is pretty close to what Yelich has done on average.
WAR is a terrible stat. Fun to look at, but it uses way too many estimates. I didn't say Polanco was as good or is better than Yelich. I said in 2016, Polanco had a similar year to what Yelich has done.
A lot of guys are long on potential and short on success. Don't bank on Polanco breaking out. I really hope he does. I hope he surpasses Yelich- but I am not going to expect it.
Agree with it on Polanco. He looks the part for sure, but something isn't clicking exactly - like consistency.
By the way, Yelich traded to Milwaukee. Can't wait to see who the Brewers gave up. They don't have a great farm system. This is going to be a big missed opportunity for the Pirates to prove they are committed in fielding a competitive team.
This was another example of the Pirates aggressively pursuing the opportunity to not add.
this move will come back to destroy Brewers. Will hurt them payroll wise plus loss of prospects. They are playing right into the Pirates hands.
NH and Bob Nutting will show them what a contender really looks like.
You need to put that in a sarcasm font.
"In 2016, Polanco put up 22 HRs, 86 RBIs, and a .786 OPS. Yelich has never hit that many HRs and has a career .800 OPS. So yes, I think Polanco's bat can be identical to Yelich's."
Is Polanco really that far off? I know people don't like Polanco and think he is a bust, but his one good season is pretty close to what Yelich has done on average.
WAR is a terrible stat. Fun to look at, but it uses way too many estimates. I didn't say Polanco was as good or is better than Yelich. I said in 2016, Polanco had a similar year to what Yelich has done.
A lot of guys are long on potential and short on success. Don't bank on Polanco breaking out. I really hope he does. I hope he surpasses Yelich- but I am not going to expect it.
Agree with it on Polanco. He looks the part for sure, but something isn't clicking exactly - like consistency.
By the way, Yelich traded to Milwaukee. Can't wait to see who the Brewers gave up. They don't have a great farm system. This is going to be a big missed opportunity for the Pirates to prove they are committed in fielding a competitive team.
This was another example of the Pirates aggressively pursuing the opportunity to not add.
this move will come back to destroy Brewers. Will hurt them payroll wise plus loss of prospects. They are playing right into the Pirates hands.
NH and Bob Nutting will show them what a contender really looks like.
You need to put that in a sarcasm font.