Deal with Yanks getting close?
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Deal with Yanks getting close?
I agree with this thought. There is no reason for NH to lower his asking price. Two years of a quality pitcher at a reasonable salary has value.
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dogknot17@yahoo.co
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2F2D373127420 wrote: I agree with this thought. There is no reason for NH to lower his asking price. Two years of a quality pitcher at a reasonable salary has value.
If no trade, where do they go from there? At least trading Cole would give some direction and start a possible rebuild sooner. Especially, if major league ready talent is returned.
The worst place to be is in limbo. I fear that is where the Pirates are right now. They can go either way. I want them to pick one. And pick one soon.
If no trade, where do they go from there? At least trading Cole would give some direction and start a possible rebuild sooner. Especially, if major league ready talent is returned.
The worst place to be is in limbo. I fear that is where the Pirates are right now. They can go either way. I want them to pick one. And pick one soon.
Deal with Yanks getting close?
646F676B6E6F743137407961686F6F2E636F000 wrote: I agree with this thought. There is no reason for NH to lower his asking price. Two years of a quality pitcher at a reasonable salary has value.
If no trade, where do they go from there? At least trading Cole would give some direction and start a possible rebuild sooner. Especially, if major league ready talent is returned.
The worst place to be is in limbo. I fear that is where the Pirates are right now. They can go either way. I want them to pick one. And pick one soon.
Completely agree. Pick a lane and at least make an attempt.
If no trade, where do they go from there? At least trading Cole would give some direction and start a possible rebuild sooner. Especially, if major league ready talent is returned.
The worst place to be is in limbo. I fear that is where the Pirates are right now. They can go either way. I want them to pick one. And pick one soon.
Completely agree. Pick a lane and at least make an attempt.
Deal with Yanks getting close?
4F444C4045445F1A1C6B524A4344440548442B0 wrote: I agree with this thought. There is no reason for NH to lower his asking price. Two years of a quality pitcher at a reasonable salary has value.
If no trade, where do they go from there? At least trading Cole would give some direction and start a possible rebuild sooner. Especially, if major league ready talent is returned.
The worst place to be is in limbo. I fear that is where the Pirates are right now. They can go either way. I want them to pick one. And pick one soon.
Well said. I completely agree Dog!
If no trade, where do they go from there? At least trading Cole would give some direction and start a possible rebuild sooner. Especially, if major league ready talent is returned.
The worst place to be is in limbo. I fear that is where the Pirates are right now. They can go either way. I want them to pick one. And pick one soon.
Well said. I completely agree Dog!
Deal with Yanks getting close?
7173696F791C0 wrote: Pirates Prospects has a good article on the 'asking too much' topic. The New York papers are saying essentially that the Pirates shouldn't be expecting the Yankees to give good prospects for their player. This is the same player the Yankees received (along with three others) for 2.5 mos. of Chapman at the end of the year. In short, the Yankees should get good prospects but not have to give good prospects. Okay if you're the Yankees.
Not surprisingly I think that's a poor analysis by PP and not what the NY papers are saying, imo. They're re-affirming something that has been out there for quite some time : NH is not regarded as any sort of deal maker in the industry.
In this case, the Yankees resigned CC after the discussions. (Could be just a leverage front to bring NH down) the NY papers are certainly not fair grounds, but Cashman and NH have done much lower level business many times in the past and NH has largely won those.
The difference now is that it's selling real value instead of dumpster diving. There's real risk and NH hates that. ;D
Not surprisingly I think that's a poor analysis by PP and not what the NY papers are saying, imo. They're re-affirming something that has been out there for quite some time : NH is not regarded as any sort of deal maker in the industry.
In this case, the Yankees resigned CC after the discussions. (Could be just a leverage front to bring NH down) the NY papers are certainly not fair grounds, but Cashman and NH have done much lower level business many times in the past and NH has largely won those.
The difference now is that it's selling real value instead of dumpster diving. There's real risk and NH hates that. ;D
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4F464E5F512B0 wrote: Pirates Prospects has a good article on the 'asking too much' topic. The New York papers are saying essentially that the Pirates shouldn't be expecting the Yankees to give good prospects for their player. This is the same player the Yankees received (along with three others) for 2.5 mos. of Chapman at the end of the year. In short, the Yankees should get good prospects but not have to give good prospects. Okay if you're the Yankees.
Not surprisingly I think that's a poor analysis by PP and not what the NY papers are saying, imo. They're re-affirming something that has been out there for quite some time : NH is not regarded as any sort of deal maker in the indusrty.
all depends on how you go in wanting to interpret it IMO
Not surprisingly I think that's a poor analysis by PP and not what the NY papers are saying, imo. They're re-affirming something that has been out there for quite some time : NH is not regarded as any sort of deal maker in the indusrty.
all depends on how you go in wanting to interpret it IMO
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johnfluharty
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6F5D51514577545D50555A5D3C0 wrote: Pirates Prospects has a good article on the 'asking too much' topic. The New York papers are saying essentially that the Pirates shouldn't be expecting the Yankees to give good prospects for their player. This is the same player the Yankees received (along with three others) for 2.5 mos. of Chapman at the end of the year. In short, the Yankees should get good prospects but not have to give good prospects. Okay if you're the Yankees.
Not surprisingly I think that's a poor analysis by PP and not what the NY papers are saying, imo. They're re-affirming something that has been out there for quite some time : NH is not regarded as any sort of deal maker in the indusrty.
all depends on you go in wanting to interpret it IMO
I think the article is pretty on target. NH should be asking for a lot for Cole, initially. It's like selling/buying a car. The seller starts out asking for a lot, the buyer starts out with a low offer. A deal is made if a sensible middle ground can be found somewhere in which both parties come out reasonably happy.
Not surprisingly I think that's a poor analysis by PP and not what the NY papers are saying, imo. They're re-affirming something that has been out there for quite some time : NH is not regarded as any sort of deal maker in the indusrty.
all depends on you go in wanting to interpret it IMO
I think the article is pretty on target. NH should be asking for a lot for Cole, initially. It's like selling/buying a car. The seller starts out asking for a lot, the buyer starts out with a low offer. A deal is made if a sensible middle ground can be found somewhere in which both parties come out reasonably happy.
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Deal with Yanks getting close?
4441464048425B464F5C5A572E0 wrote: Pirates Prospects has a good article on the 'asking too much' topic. The New York papers are saying essentially that the Pirates shouldn't be expecting the Yankees to give good prospects for their player. This is the same player the Yankees received (along with three others) for 2.5 mos. of Chapman at the end of the year. In short, the Yankees should get good prospects but not have to give good prospects. Okay if you're the Yankees.
Not surprisingly I think that's a poor analysis by PP and not what the NY papers are saying, imo. They're re-affirming something that has been out there for quite some time : NH is not regarded as any sort of deal maker in the indusrty.
all depends on you go in wanting to interpret it IMO
I think the article is pretty on target. NH should be asking for a lot for Cole, initially. It's like selling/buying a car. The seller starts out asking for a lot, the buyer starts out with a low offer. A deal is made if a sensible middle ground can be found somewhere in which both parties come out reasonably happy.
And I don't know how anyone can disagree that two years of Cole should be worth more than two months of a closer, now matter how awesome that closer is.
The Yanks are complaining that the Pirates always want to "win" deals while at the same time wanting to get the better of all of them. All teams probably want this.
As Pirates fans, we'll see that as either "The Front Office playing tough" or "see look they're hard headed and impossible to deal with" while probably in reality a bit of both. It's like a rorsarch test for how you want to view management.
Not surprisingly I think that's a poor analysis by PP and not what the NY papers are saying, imo. They're re-affirming something that has been out there for quite some time : NH is not regarded as any sort of deal maker in the indusrty.
all depends on you go in wanting to interpret it IMO
I think the article is pretty on target. NH should be asking for a lot for Cole, initially. It's like selling/buying a car. The seller starts out asking for a lot, the buyer starts out with a low offer. A deal is made if a sensible middle ground can be found somewhere in which both parties come out reasonably happy.
And I don't know how anyone can disagree that two years of Cole should be worth more than two months of a closer, now matter how awesome that closer is.
The Yanks are complaining that the Pirates always want to "win" deals while at the same time wanting to get the better of all of them. All teams probably want this.
As Pirates fans, we'll see that as either "The Front Office playing tough" or "see look they're hard headed and impossible to deal with" while probably in reality a bit of both. It's like a rorsarch test for how you want to view management.
Deal with Yanks getting close?
5F6D61617547646D60656A6D0C0 wrote: Pirates Prospects has a good article on the 'asking too much' topic. The New York papers are saying essentially that the Pirates shouldn't be expecting the Yankees to give good prospects for their player. This is the same player the Yankees received (along with three others) for 2.5 mos. of Chapman at the end of the year. In short, the Yankees should get good prospects but not have to give good prospects. Okay if you're the Yankees.
Not surprisingly I think that's a poor analysis by PP and not what the NY papers are saying, imo. They're re-affirming something that has been out there for quite some time : NH is not regarded as any sort of deal maker in the indusrty.
all depends on how you go in wanting to interpret it IMO
Definitely correct. I generally interpret most things the opposite as PP. Also, there's a body of evidence that supports what the NY papers are saying. That NH is afraid to make deals.
Maybe he will wait out the market, like he did when he signed Vogelsong?
It seems more and more obvious that he's not going to go acquire what we need. Cole has to go first, because if Cutch goes first, he will lose leverage on Cole (everyone will know we're having a yard sale)
This all makes for great discussion though!
Not surprisingly I think that's a poor analysis by PP and not what the NY papers are saying, imo. They're re-affirming something that has been out there for quite some time : NH is not regarded as any sort of deal maker in the indusrty.
all depends on how you go in wanting to interpret it IMO
Definitely correct. I generally interpret most things the opposite as PP. Also, there's a body of evidence that supports what the NY papers are saying. That NH is afraid to make deals.
Maybe he will wait out the market, like he did when he signed Vogelsong?
It seems more and more obvious that he's not going to go acquire what we need. Cole has to go first, because if Cutch goes first, he will lose leverage on Cole (everyone will know we're having a yard sale)
This all makes for great discussion though!
Deal with Yanks getting close?
162428283C0E2D24292C2324450 wrote: Pirates Prospects has a good article on the 'asking too much' topic. The New York papers are saying essentially that the Pirates shouldn't be expecting the Yankees to give good prospects for their player. This is the same player the Yankees received (along with three others) for 2.5 mos. of Chapman at the end of the year. In short, the Yankees should get good prospects but not have to give good prospects. Okay if you're the Yankees.
Not surprisingly I think that's a poor analysis by PP and not what the NY papers are saying, imo. They're re-affirming something that has been out there for quite some time : NH is not regarded as any sort of deal maker in the indusrty.
all depends on you go in wanting to interpret it IMO
I think the article is pretty on target. NH should be asking for a lot for Cole, initially. It's like selling/buying a car. The seller starts out asking for a lot, the buyer starts out with a low offer. A deal is made if a sensible middle ground can be found somewhere in which both parties come out reasonably happy.
And I don't know how anyone can disagree that two years of Cole should be worth more than two months of a closer, now matter how awesome that closer is.
The Yanks are complaining that the Pirates always want to "win" deals while at the same time wanting to get the better of all of them. All teams probably want this.
As Pirates fans, we'll see that as either "The Front Office playing tough" or "see look they're hard headed and impossible to deal with" while probably in reality a bit of both. It's like a rorsarch test for how you want to view management.
The Yanks selling a player in 2016 at the deadline when trading the best closer in baseball to a cubs team who hadn't won a WS since 1908 and needed a closer, that sets some kind of market for pitching in 2018 offeason?
The Yanks traded 4 star prospects to the Reds to acquire Chapman. Does that matter at all?
I considerably dislike our management and think NH has proven to be an incompetent GM the past two years. Therefore anything critical of NH is true and right and just and anything praising him is nonsense. So lets just put all opinions of everything into one of those two boxes and call everything a rorsarch test
Not surprisingly I think that's a poor analysis by PP and not what the NY papers are saying, imo. They're re-affirming something that has been out there for quite some time : NH is not regarded as any sort of deal maker in the indusrty.
all depends on you go in wanting to interpret it IMO
I think the article is pretty on target. NH should be asking for a lot for Cole, initially. It's like selling/buying a car. The seller starts out asking for a lot, the buyer starts out with a low offer. A deal is made if a sensible middle ground can be found somewhere in which both parties come out reasonably happy.
And I don't know how anyone can disagree that two years of Cole should be worth more than two months of a closer, now matter how awesome that closer is.
The Yanks are complaining that the Pirates always want to "win" deals while at the same time wanting to get the better of all of them. All teams probably want this.
As Pirates fans, we'll see that as either "The Front Office playing tough" or "see look they're hard headed and impossible to deal with" while probably in reality a bit of both. It's like a rorsarch test for how you want to view management.
The Yanks selling a player in 2016 at the deadline when trading the best closer in baseball to a cubs team who hadn't won a WS since 1908 and needed a closer, that sets some kind of market for pitching in 2018 offeason?
The Yanks traded 4 star prospects to the Reds to acquire Chapman. Does that matter at all?
I considerably dislike our management and think NH has proven to be an incompetent GM the past two years. Therefore anything critical of NH is true and right and just and anything praising him is nonsense. So lets just put all opinions of everything into one of those two boxes and call everything a rorsarch test