Rafael Palmeiro
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dogknot17@yahoo.co
Rafael Palmeiro
Rafael Palmeiro wants to make a come back. He is only 53 years old. This would be the perfect reclamation project for the Pirates. They can trade Josh Bell for a bunch of talent and then plug Palmeiro in at 1B.
Rafael Palmeiro
There was talk last night on the MLB network that Palmeiro is hoping to get on a roster for even a minute so he can retire again, and start a new running of his Hall of Fame clock, thinking the younger voters today might be more liberal than those when he first was passed over.
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dogknot17@yahoo.co
Rafael Palmeiro
6C6E747264010 wrote: There was talk last night on the MLB network that Palmeiro is hoping to get on a roster for even a minute so he can retire again, and start a new running of his Hall of Fame clock, thinking the younger voters today might be more liberal than those when he first was passed over.
That's very interesting and a good move. In my opinion, he deserves it. One of five players to hit 500 HRs and have 3,000 hits. We can't ignore the steroid era when baseball itself ignored it.
That's very interesting and a good move. In my opinion, he deserves it. One of five players to hit 500 HRs and have 3,000 hits. We can't ignore the steroid era when baseball itself ignored it.
Rafael Palmeiro
From Wikipedia:
On March 17, 2005, Palmeiro appeared at a Congressional hearing about steroids in baseball and, while under oath, denied ever using steroids and stated, "Let me start by telling you this: I have never used steroids, period. I don't know how to say it any more clearly than that. Never."[24]
On August 1, 2005, Palmeiro was suspended for ten days after testing positive for a steroid.[25]
If the gates to the HOF ever open for known steroid users it won't be for one who also lied before congress. Mr. Palmeiro needs to sit down and shut up.
On March 17, 2005, Palmeiro appeared at a Congressional hearing about steroids in baseball and, while under oath, denied ever using steroids and stated, "Let me start by telling you this: I have never used steroids, period. I don't know how to say it any more clearly than that. Never."[24]
On August 1, 2005, Palmeiro was suspended for ten days after testing positive for a steroid.[25]
If the gates to the HOF ever open for known steroid users it won't be for one who also lied before congress. Mr. Palmeiro needs to sit down and shut up.
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dogknot17@yahoo.co
Rafael Palmeiro
6440545C59350 wrote: From Wikipedia:
On March 17, 2005, Palmeiro appeared at a Congressional hearing about steroids in baseball and, while under oath, denied ever using steroids and stated, "Let me start by telling you this: I have never used steroids, period. I don't know how to say it any more clearly than that. Never."[24]
On August 1, 2005, Palmeiro was suspended for ten days after testing positive for a steroid.[25]
If the gates to the HOF ever open for known steroid users it won't be for one who also lied before congress. Mr. Palmeiro needs to sit down and shut up.
I remember him clearly pointing and saying that statement to Congress. Then Mark McGwire said something about not wanting to talk about the past but the future and Sammy Sosa could no longer speak English.
Doubtful, but maybe Palmeiro didn't use when he made that statement and used after. I don't know, but it could be his truth.
The Hall of Fame for these presumed users is a fine line. Baseball didn't enforce any rules, but it was ethically wrong. There are other guys in the Hall of Fame who did bad things outside the lines too. Tough decision for sure.
On March 17, 2005, Palmeiro appeared at a Congressional hearing about steroids in baseball and, while under oath, denied ever using steroids and stated, "Let me start by telling you this: I have never used steroids, period. I don't know how to say it any more clearly than that. Never."[24]
On August 1, 2005, Palmeiro was suspended for ten days after testing positive for a steroid.[25]
If the gates to the HOF ever open for known steroid users it won't be for one who also lied before congress. Mr. Palmeiro needs to sit down and shut up.
I remember him clearly pointing and saying that statement to Congress. Then Mark McGwire said something about not wanting to talk about the past but the future and Sammy Sosa could no longer speak English.
Doubtful, but maybe Palmeiro didn't use when he made that statement and used after. I don't know, but it could be his truth.
The Hall of Fame for these presumed users is a fine line. Baseball didn't enforce any rules, but it was ethically wrong. There are other guys in the Hall of Fame who did bad things outside the lines too. Tough decision for sure.
Rafael Palmeiro
It wouldn't surprise me with this organization at all. He fits the mold perfectly. Reminds me of when we signed Benito.
Rafael Palmeiro
5773676F6A060 wrote: From Wikipedia:
On March 17, 2005, Palmeiro appeared at a Congressional hearing about steroids in baseball and, while under oath, denied ever using steroids and stated, "Let me start by telling you this: I have never used steroids, period. I don't know how to say it any more clearly than that. Never."[24]
On August 1, 2005, Palmeiro was suspended for ten days after testing positive for a steroid.[25]
If the gates to the HOF ever open for known steroid users it won't be for one who also lied before congress. Mr. Palmeiro needs to sit down and shut up.
All the steroid users are liars. Do you think all of the rest of them would stand up and admit it? They lied to their teams, to baseball, to the fans. Liars. They depended on that lie to be successful at the career they spent their lives dedicated to. To back down at that point would have been the end of everything they worked (and cheated) for.
Lying before congress is a national pastime as much as baseball, and far worse lies are told there than about steroids in baseball.
Don't care about Palmeiro, but the more I think about it, the more I can't get overly worked up about someone who stuck with his lie as he was asked about it. I don't know how I feel about that era. In the past, I've hated it and groused about those who took drugs to enhance their performance, but now that it's over, I wonder how we should treat that era in a historical sense. Maybe we should just recognize what they did, and also recognize the difference in the era, much like live ball/dead ball, etc.
Hard to say though. If they broke the rules, that should disqualify them. But do we just single out those who got caught? Surely Bonds did not do what he did without chemical help.
On March 17, 2005, Palmeiro appeared at a Congressional hearing about steroids in baseball and, while under oath, denied ever using steroids and stated, "Let me start by telling you this: I have never used steroids, period. I don't know how to say it any more clearly than that. Never."[24]
On August 1, 2005, Palmeiro was suspended for ten days after testing positive for a steroid.[25]
If the gates to the HOF ever open for known steroid users it won't be for one who also lied before congress. Mr. Palmeiro needs to sit down and shut up.
All the steroid users are liars. Do you think all of the rest of them would stand up and admit it? They lied to their teams, to baseball, to the fans. Liars. They depended on that lie to be successful at the career they spent their lives dedicated to. To back down at that point would have been the end of everything they worked (and cheated) for.
Lying before congress is a national pastime as much as baseball, and far worse lies are told there than about steroids in baseball.
Don't care about Palmeiro, but the more I think about it, the more I can't get overly worked up about someone who stuck with his lie as he was asked about it. I don't know how I feel about that era. In the past, I've hated it and groused about those who took drugs to enhance their performance, but now that it's over, I wonder how we should treat that era in a historical sense. Maybe we should just recognize what they did, and also recognize the difference in the era, much like live ball/dead ball, etc.
Hard to say though. If they broke the rules, that should disqualify them. But do we just single out those who got caught? Surely Bonds did not do what he did without chemical help.
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dogknot17@yahoo.co
Rafael Palmeiro
I think about how many pitchers were using too. There had to be more than the few who were caught. If there was, does that even it out the offensive numbers?
It's just hard to erase a whole era that benefitted baseball. That era probably saved baseball after the strikes/hold outs. Is it right to assume certain players were on the juice because they had great seasons/careers?
It's just hard to erase a whole era that benefitted baseball. That era probably saved baseball after the strikes/hold outs. Is it right to assume certain players were on the juice because they had great seasons/careers?
Rafael Palmeiro
052E222B2E2F7578410 wrote: From Wikipedia:
On March 17, 2005, Palmeiro appeared at a Congressional hearing about steroids in baseball and, while under oath, denied ever using steroids and stated, "Let me start by telling you this: I have never used steroids, period. I don't know how to say it any more clearly than that. Never."[24]
On August 1, 2005, Palmeiro was suspended for ten days after testing positive for a steroid.[25]
If the gates to the HOF ever open for known steroid users it won't be for one who also lied before congress. Mr. Palmeiro needs to sit down and shut up.
All the steroid users are liars. Do you think all of the rest of them would stand up and admit it? They lied to their teams, to baseball, to the fans. Liars. They depended on that lie to be successful at the career they spent their lives dedicated to. To back down at that point would have been the end of everything they worked (and cheated) for.
Lying before congress is a national pastime as much as baseball, and far worse lies are told there than about steroids in baseball.
Don't care about Palmeiro, but the more I think about it, the more I can't get overly worked up about someone who stuck with his lie as he was asked about it. I don't know how I feel about that era. In the past, I've hated it and groused about those who took drugs to enhance their performance, but now that it's over, I wonder how we should treat that era in a historical sense. Maybe we should just recognize what they did, and also recognize the difference in the era, much like live ball/dead ball, etc.
Hard to say though. If they broke the rules, that should disqualify them. But do we just single out those who got caught? Surely Bonds did not do what he did without chemical help.
What I think about other steroid users is irrelevant to the specific issue of a manipulative Palmiero attempting to reset his retirement date in hopes of finding a (younger) more forgiving HOF voting membership. The point I was making was that Palmiero of all steroid users would be the most unlikely to garner support after his emphatic public denial in a national forum and subsequent shameful failing of a drug test. He's essentially the embarrassment poster child for the steroid era.
Personally I believe those who used steroids to enhance their performance, careers, and monetary gain should be barred from entry to the HOF. These individuals garnered fame and fortune under false pretenses, deceiving fans and cheating their rule abiding teammates. They had their glory and it was tainted by their own unethical behavior. No need to reprise it and reward these cheaters twice for bad behavior.
On March 17, 2005, Palmeiro appeared at a Congressional hearing about steroids in baseball and, while under oath, denied ever using steroids and stated, "Let me start by telling you this: I have never used steroids, period. I don't know how to say it any more clearly than that. Never."[24]
On August 1, 2005, Palmeiro was suspended for ten days after testing positive for a steroid.[25]
If the gates to the HOF ever open for known steroid users it won't be for one who also lied before congress. Mr. Palmeiro needs to sit down and shut up.
All the steroid users are liars. Do you think all of the rest of them would stand up and admit it? They lied to their teams, to baseball, to the fans. Liars. They depended on that lie to be successful at the career they spent their lives dedicated to. To back down at that point would have been the end of everything they worked (and cheated) for.
Lying before congress is a national pastime as much as baseball, and far worse lies are told there than about steroids in baseball.
Don't care about Palmeiro, but the more I think about it, the more I can't get overly worked up about someone who stuck with his lie as he was asked about it. I don't know how I feel about that era. In the past, I've hated it and groused about those who took drugs to enhance their performance, but now that it's over, I wonder how we should treat that era in a historical sense. Maybe we should just recognize what they did, and also recognize the difference in the era, much like live ball/dead ball, etc.
Hard to say though. If they broke the rules, that should disqualify them. But do we just single out those who got caught? Surely Bonds did not do what he did without chemical help.
What I think about other steroid users is irrelevant to the specific issue of a manipulative Palmiero attempting to reset his retirement date in hopes of finding a (younger) more forgiving HOF voting membership. The point I was making was that Palmiero of all steroid users would be the most unlikely to garner support after his emphatic public denial in a national forum and subsequent shameful failing of a drug test. He's essentially the embarrassment poster child for the steroid era.
Personally I believe those who used steroids to enhance their performance, careers, and monetary gain should be barred from entry to the HOF. These individuals garnered fame and fortune under false pretenses, deceiving fans and cheating their rule abiding teammates. They had their glory and it was tainted by their own unethical behavior. No need to reprise it and reward these cheaters twice for bad behavior.