7D505D4C4B5A4D0D0E3F0 wrote: The only scenario I wouldnt support signing an impact FA 3bman is if there's a young prospect 3bman that is having playing time blocked by the signing.
Since I know from past experience money "saved" during a rebuild wont be applied to future years payroll for any "push", I see no reason to support the cutting of salary for the sake of itself during a rebuild.
Frankly, I'd support the org dumping 20 million $1 bills into PNC park and having a bonfire rather than "saving" by dropping the measley payroll lower than it already is.
(I'd much prefer the org openly give it to the city than burn it, but would rather rit be burned than "saved")
I agree. When I see comments about trading Harrison to save money (don't know if that is true or not) I wonder "why?". They already have a low payroll and if they don't take on any significant additional salary what is there to gain by dealing Harrison? He's one of their best players and a positive influence on the younger, low priced guys who will likely make up the roster. They don't award prizes to the teams that get their payroll the lowest.
I think Harrison could be dealt as he has value and wanted by other teams and the Pirates have Adam Frazier to take over 2B. And of course, they have Sean Rodriguez too.
So, it could be a combination of a salary dump and selling high with a replacement(s) in place.
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McCutchen Harrison rumors
3E353D3134352E6B6D1A233B3235357439355A0 wrote: The only scenario I wouldnt support signing an impact FA 3bman is if there's a young prospect 3bman that is having playing time blocked by the signing.
Since I know from past experience money "saved" during a rebuild wont be applied to future years payroll for any "push", I see no reason to support the cutting of salary for the sake of itself during a rebuild.
Frankly, I'd support the org dumping 20 million $1 bills into PNC park and having a bonfire rather than "saving" by dropping the measley payroll lower than it already is.
(I'd much prefer the org openly give it to the city than burn it, but would rather rit be burned than "saved")
I agree. When I see comments about trading Harrison to save money (don't know if that is true or not) I wonder "why?". They already have a low payroll and if they don't take on any significant additional salary what is there to gain by dealing Harrison? He's one of their best players and a positive influence on the younger, low priced guys who will likely make up the roster. They don't award prizes to the teams that get their payroll the lowest.
I think Harrison could be dealt as he has value and wanted by other teams and the Pirates have Adam Frazier to take over 2B. And of course, they have Sean Rodriguez too.
So, it could be a combination of a salary dump and selling high with a replacement(s) in place.
Nah. That argument fails.
JHay would substantially improve 3b. So while you could make your case (I would disagree) Frazier is his ready replacement at 2nd...jHay doesn't need to be traded for Frazier to start at 2b.
Unless jHay returned a prospect 3bman, it would make the current team worse. If they're trying to win this year or next, I don't see alot of ways trading Jhay helps that to happen. If they're selling off, by all means
Why would we need to cut salary at all?
Since I know from past experience money "saved" during a rebuild wont be applied to future years payroll for any "push", I see no reason to support the cutting of salary for the sake of itself during a rebuild.
Frankly, I'd support the org dumping 20 million $1 bills into PNC park and having a bonfire rather than "saving" by dropping the measley payroll lower than it already is.
(I'd much prefer the org openly give it to the city than burn it, but would rather rit be burned than "saved")
I agree. When I see comments about trading Harrison to save money (don't know if that is true or not) I wonder "why?". They already have a low payroll and if they don't take on any significant additional salary what is there to gain by dealing Harrison? He's one of their best players and a positive influence on the younger, low priced guys who will likely make up the roster. They don't award prizes to the teams that get their payroll the lowest.
I think Harrison could be dealt as he has value and wanted by other teams and the Pirates have Adam Frazier to take over 2B. And of course, they have Sean Rodriguez too.
So, it could be a combination of a salary dump and selling high with a replacement(s) in place.
Nah. That argument fails.
JHay would substantially improve 3b. So while you could make your case (I would disagree) Frazier is his ready replacement at 2nd...jHay doesn't need to be traded for Frazier to start at 2b.
Unless jHay returned a prospect 3bman, it would make the current team worse. If they're trying to win this year or next, I don't see alot of ways trading Jhay helps that to happen. If they're selling off, by all means
Why would we need to cut salary at all?
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McCutchen Harrison rumors
3F363E2F215B0 wrote: The only scenario I wouldnt support signing an impact FA 3bman is if there's a young prospect 3bman that is having playing time blocked by the signing.
Since I know from past experience money "saved" during a rebuild wont be applied to future years payroll for any "push", I see no reason to support the cutting of salary for the sake of itself during a rebuild.
Frankly, I'd support the org dumping 20 million $1 bills into PNC park and having a bonfire rather than "saving" by dropping the measley payroll lower than it already is.
(I'd much prefer the org openly give it to the city than burn it, but would rather rit be burned than "saved")
I agree. When I see comments about trading Harrison to save money (don't know if that is true or not) I wonder "why?". They already have a low payroll and if they don't take on any significant additional salary what is there to gain by dealing Harrison? He's one of their best players and a positive influence on the younger, low priced guys who will likely make up the roster. They don't award prizes to the teams that get their payroll the lowest.
I think Harrison could be dealt as he has value and wanted by other teams and the Pirates have Adam Frazier to take over 2B. And of course, they have Sean Rodriguez too.
So, it could be a combination of a salary dump and selling high with a replacement(s) in place.
Nah. That argument fails.
JHay would substantially improve 3b. So while you could make your case (I would disagree) Frazier is his ready replacement at 2nd...jHay doesn't need to be traded for Frazier to start at 2b.
Unless jHay returned a prospect 3bman, it would make the current team worse. If they're trying to win this year or next, I don't see alot of ways trading Jhay helps that to happen. If they're selling off, by all means
Why would we need to cut salary at all?
If trading Harrison can help the future, current team and the Pirates feel they have a replacement to play second base, why not trade him? How high are the Pirates on Frazier? What about Moroff, Newman, Kramer who all can make appearances very soon?
Others move would have to be made to make the team better. I agree losing Harrison for no current 2018 player would make the team worse. But that can be made up in other trades too (Cole, McCutchen).
Don't get me wrong, I want to keep everyone and add to the current team. I just don't see that happening. After they do sell some players, I hope they buy too.
Since I know from past experience money "saved" during a rebuild wont be applied to future years payroll for any "push", I see no reason to support the cutting of salary for the sake of itself during a rebuild.
Frankly, I'd support the org dumping 20 million $1 bills into PNC park and having a bonfire rather than "saving" by dropping the measley payroll lower than it already is.
(I'd much prefer the org openly give it to the city than burn it, but would rather rit be burned than "saved")
I agree. When I see comments about trading Harrison to save money (don't know if that is true or not) I wonder "why?". They already have a low payroll and if they don't take on any significant additional salary what is there to gain by dealing Harrison? He's one of their best players and a positive influence on the younger, low priced guys who will likely make up the roster. They don't award prizes to the teams that get their payroll the lowest.
I think Harrison could be dealt as he has value and wanted by other teams and the Pirates have Adam Frazier to take over 2B. And of course, they have Sean Rodriguez too.
So, it could be a combination of a salary dump and selling high with a replacement(s) in place.
Nah. That argument fails.
JHay would substantially improve 3b. So while you could make your case (I would disagree) Frazier is his ready replacement at 2nd...jHay doesn't need to be traded for Frazier to start at 2b.
Unless jHay returned a prospect 3bman, it would make the current team worse. If they're trying to win this year or next, I don't see alot of ways trading Jhay helps that to happen. If they're selling off, by all means
Why would we need to cut salary at all?
If trading Harrison can help the future, current team and the Pirates feel they have a replacement to play second base, why not trade him? How high are the Pirates on Frazier? What about Moroff, Newman, Kramer who all can make appearances very soon?
Others move would have to be made to make the team better. I agree losing Harrison for no current 2018 player would make the team worse. But that can be made up in other trades too (Cole, McCutchen).
Don't get me wrong, I want to keep everyone and add to the current team. I just don't see that happening. After they do sell some players, I hope they buy too.
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I think Harrison is a valuable player, but I'm not sure that his kind of value will show up as trade value.
McCutchen Harrison rumors
58515948463C0 wrote: The only scenario I wouldnt support signing an impact FA 3bman is if there's a young prospect 3bman that is having playing time blocked by the signing.
Since I know from past experience money "saved" during a rebuild wont be applied to future years payroll for any "push", I see no reason to support the cutting of salary for the sake of itself during a rebuild.
Frankly, I'd support the org dumping 20 million $1 bills into PNC park and having a bonfire rather than "saving" by dropping the measley payroll lower than it already is.
(I'd much prefer the org openly give it to the city than burn it, but would rather rit be burned than "saved")
I agree. When I see comments about trading Harrison to save money (don't know if that is true or not) I wonder "why?". They already have a low payroll and if they don't take on any significant additional salary what is there to gain by dealing Harrison? He's one of their best players and a positive influence on the younger, low priced guys who will likely make up the roster. They don't award prizes to the teams that get their payroll the lowest.
I think Harrison could be dealt as he has value and wanted by other teams and the Pirates have Adam Frazier to take over 2B. And of course, they have Sean Rodriguez too.
So, it could be a combination of a salary dump and selling high with a replacement(s) in place.
Nah. That argument fails.
JHay would substantially improve 3b. So while you could make your case (I would disagree) Frazier is his ready replacement at 2nd...jHay doesn't need to be traded for Frazier to start at 2b.
Unless jHay returned a prospect 3bman, it would make the current team worse. If they're trying to win this year or next, I don't see alot of ways trading Jhay helps that to happen. If they're selling off, by all means
Why would we need to cut salary at all?
This is 100% accurate. Anyone can see what management is angling for here - Frazier is the 2B man on the cheap. We have a void at third and Harrison can play it. But, saving money is more important even though it would probably cost the brass more to sign Frazier as in Todd.
Since I know from past experience money "saved" during a rebuild wont be applied to future years payroll for any "push", I see no reason to support the cutting of salary for the sake of itself during a rebuild.
Frankly, I'd support the org dumping 20 million $1 bills into PNC park and having a bonfire rather than "saving" by dropping the measley payroll lower than it already is.
(I'd much prefer the org openly give it to the city than burn it, but would rather rit be burned than "saved")
I agree. When I see comments about trading Harrison to save money (don't know if that is true or not) I wonder "why?". They already have a low payroll and if they don't take on any significant additional salary what is there to gain by dealing Harrison? He's one of their best players and a positive influence on the younger, low priced guys who will likely make up the roster. They don't award prizes to the teams that get their payroll the lowest.
I think Harrison could be dealt as he has value and wanted by other teams and the Pirates have Adam Frazier to take over 2B. And of course, they have Sean Rodriguez too.
So, it could be a combination of a salary dump and selling high with a replacement(s) in place.
Nah. That argument fails.
JHay would substantially improve 3b. So while you could make your case (I would disagree) Frazier is his ready replacement at 2nd...jHay doesn't need to be traded for Frazier to start at 2b.
Unless jHay returned a prospect 3bman, it would make the current team worse. If they're trying to win this year or next, I don't see alot of ways trading Jhay helps that to happen. If they're selling off, by all means
Why would we need to cut salary at all?
This is 100% accurate. Anyone can see what management is angling for here - Frazier is the 2B man on the cheap. We have a void at third and Harrison can play it. But, saving money is more important even though it would probably cost the brass more to sign Frazier as in Todd.
McCutchen Harrison rumors
2B20282421203B7E780F362E272020612C204F0 wrote: The only scenario I wouldnt support signing an impact FA 3bman is if there's a young prospect 3bman that is having playing time blocked by the signing.
Since I know from past experience money "saved" during a rebuild wont be applied to future years payroll for any "push", I see no reason to support the cutting of salary for the sake of itself during a rebuild.
Frankly, I'd support the org dumping 20 million $1 bills into PNC park and having a bonfire rather than "saving" by dropping the measley payroll lower than it already is.
(I'd much prefer the org openly give it to the city than burn it, but would rather rit be burned than "saved")
I agree. When I see comments about trading Harrison to save money (don't know if that is true or not) I wonder "why?". They already have a low payroll and if they don't take on any significant additional salary what is there to gain by dealing Harrison? He's one of their best players and a positive influence on the younger, low priced guys who will likely make up the roster. They don't award prizes to the teams that get their payroll the lowest.
I think Harrison could be dealt as he has value and wanted by other teams and the Pirates have Adam Frazier to take over 2B. And of course, they have Sean Rodriguez too.
So, it could be a combination of a salary dump and selling high with a replacement(s) in place.
Nah. That argument fails.
JHay would substantially improve 3b. So while you could make your case (I would disagree) Frazier is his ready replacement at 2nd...jHay doesn't need to be traded for Frazier to start at 2b.
Unless jHay returned a prospect 3bman, it would make the current team worse. If they're trying to win this year or next, I don't see alot of ways trading Jhay helps that to happen. If they're selling off, by all means
Why would we need to cut salary at all?
If trading Harrison can help the future, current team and the Pirates feel they have a replacement to play second base, why not trade him? How high are the Pirates on Frazier? What about Moroff, Newman, Kramer who all can make appearances very soon?
Others move would have to be made to make the team better. I agree losing Harrison for no current 2018 player would make the team worse. But that can be made up in other trades too (Cole, McCutchen).
Don't get me wrong, I want to keep everyone and add to the current team. I just don't see that happening. After they do sell some players, I hope they buy too.
Trading Harrison doesn't help current team. They get prospects back. They don't get a ready made MLB player back. What value does he get back in return from say Toronto, who is interested? Don't say Bichette or Guerrero.
Of course you want to keep everyone. You are a status quo type of person. However, you are more likely to get your wish as this organization ill probably keep most of them, if not all, but add nothing significant to help.
None of the guys you mention - Moroff, Frazier, Neuman ... play third and we have a serious void there. So ... it shouldn't matter how the organization views them relative to Harrison.
Since I know from past experience money "saved" during a rebuild wont be applied to future years payroll for any "push", I see no reason to support the cutting of salary for the sake of itself during a rebuild.
Frankly, I'd support the org dumping 20 million $1 bills into PNC park and having a bonfire rather than "saving" by dropping the measley payroll lower than it already is.
(I'd much prefer the org openly give it to the city than burn it, but would rather rit be burned than "saved")
I agree. When I see comments about trading Harrison to save money (don't know if that is true or not) I wonder "why?". They already have a low payroll and if they don't take on any significant additional salary what is there to gain by dealing Harrison? He's one of their best players and a positive influence on the younger, low priced guys who will likely make up the roster. They don't award prizes to the teams that get their payroll the lowest.
I think Harrison could be dealt as he has value and wanted by other teams and the Pirates have Adam Frazier to take over 2B. And of course, they have Sean Rodriguez too.
So, it could be a combination of a salary dump and selling high with a replacement(s) in place.
Nah. That argument fails.
JHay would substantially improve 3b. So while you could make your case (I would disagree) Frazier is his ready replacement at 2nd...jHay doesn't need to be traded for Frazier to start at 2b.
Unless jHay returned a prospect 3bman, it would make the current team worse. If they're trying to win this year or next, I don't see alot of ways trading Jhay helps that to happen. If they're selling off, by all means
Why would we need to cut salary at all?
If trading Harrison can help the future, current team and the Pirates feel they have a replacement to play second base, why not trade him? How high are the Pirates on Frazier? What about Moroff, Newman, Kramer who all can make appearances very soon?
Others move would have to be made to make the team better. I agree losing Harrison for no current 2018 player would make the team worse. But that can be made up in other trades too (Cole, McCutchen).
Don't get me wrong, I want to keep everyone and add to the current team. I just don't see that happening. After they do sell some players, I hope they buy too.
Trading Harrison doesn't help current team. They get prospects back. They don't get a ready made MLB player back. What value does he get back in return from say Toronto, who is interested? Don't say Bichette or Guerrero.
Of course you want to keep everyone. You are a status quo type of person. However, you are more likely to get your wish as this organization ill probably keep most of them, if not all, but add nothing significant to help.
None of the guys you mention - Moroff, Frazier, Neuman ... play third and we have a serious void there. So ... it shouldn't matter how the organization views them relative to Harrison.
McCutchen Harrison rumors
4D7F73736755767F7277787F1E0 wrote: I think Harrison is a valuable player, but I'm not sure that his kind of value will show up as trade value.
That is the major question. What is his true value. He probably has more value to us then anyone else. Can anyone even think of a return for Harrison from someone like Toronto who is kicking the tires? I don't see them forking over either of their top two prospects for starters.
That is the major question. What is his true value. He probably has more value to us then anyone else. Can anyone even think of a return for Harrison from someone like Toronto who is kicking the tires? I don't see them forking over either of their top two prospects for starters.
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McCutchen Harrison rumors
4656576076767A150 wrote: The only scenario I wouldnt support signing an impact FA 3bman is if there's a young prospect 3bman that is having playing time blocked by the signing.
Since I know from past experience money "saved" during a rebuild wont be applied to future years payroll for any "push", I see no reason to support the cutting of salary for the sake of itself during a rebuild.
Frankly, I'd support the org dumping 20 million $1 bills into PNC park and having a bonfire rather than "saving" by dropping the measley payroll lower than it already is.
(I'd much prefer the org openly give it to the city than burn it, but would rather rit be burned than "saved")
I agree. When I see comments about trading Harrison to save money (don't know if that is true or not) I wonder "why?". They already have a low payroll and if they don't take on any significant additional salary what is there to gain by dealing Harrison? He's one of their best players and a positive influence on the younger, low priced guys who will likely make up the roster. They don't award prizes to the teams that get their payroll the lowest.
I think Harrison could be dealt as he has value and wanted by other teams and the Pirates have Adam Frazier to take over 2B. And of course, they have Sean Rodriguez too.
So, it could be a combination of a salary dump and selling high with a replacement(s) in place.
Nah. That argument fails.
JHay would substantially improve 3b. So while you could make your case (I would disagree) Frazier is his ready replacement at 2nd...jHay doesn't need to be traded for Frazier to start at 2b.
Unless jHay returned a prospect 3bman, it would make the current team worse. If they're trying to win this year or next, I don't see alot of ways trading Jhay helps that to happen. If they're selling off, by all means
Why would we need to cut salary at all?
If trading Harrison can help the future, current team and the Pirates feel they have a replacement to play second base, why not trade him? How high are the Pirates on Frazier? What about Moroff, Newman, Kramer who all can make appearances very soon?
Others move would have to be made to make the team better. I agree losing Harrison for no current 2018 player would make the team worse. But that can be made up in other trades too (Cole, McCutchen).
Don't get me wrong, I want to keep everyone and add to the current team. I just don't see that happening. After they do sell some players, I hope they buy too.
Trading Harrison doesn't help current team. They get prospects back. They don't get a ready made MLB player back. What value does he get back in return from say Toronto, who is interested? Don't say Bichette or Guerrero.
Of course you want to keep everyone. You are a status quo type of person. However, you are more likely to get your wish as this organization ill probably keep most of them, if not all, but add nothing significant to help.
None of the guys you mention - Moroff, Frazier, Neuman ... play third and we have a serious void there. So ... it shouldn't matter how the organization views them relative to Harrison.
If the Pirates feel they have a replacement for Harrison at second base, they could trade him. The guys I mentioned are middle infielders. Its like the circle of baseball player life, especially in the small market world. When a younger player comes along, the older veteran gets moved. This is how Harrison got his second base job.
Yes, I do think they have a good team with a few upgrades. I believe the Marte and Kang situations deprived the team big time and they can (and could have in 2017) compete with them. I want to add a third baseman as good as Kang.
I don't know if the Pirates are planning Harrison as the full time third baseman. Right now, I think it is Freese and Rodriguez. I sure hope that changes.
If Harrison can help the future and they feel they have a replacement for Harrison, I can see him being traded. Other trades can help the 2018 Pirates or a free agent singing, which I know is rare.
Since I know from past experience money "saved" during a rebuild wont be applied to future years payroll for any "push", I see no reason to support the cutting of salary for the sake of itself during a rebuild.
Frankly, I'd support the org dumping 20 million $1 bills into PNC park and having a bonfire rather than "saving" by dropping the measley payroll lower than it already is.
(I'd much prefer the org openly give it to the city than burn it, but would rather rit be burned than "saved")
I agree. When I see comments about trading Harrison to save money (don't know if that is true or not) I wonder "why?". They already have a low payroll and if they don't take on any significant additional salary what is there to gain by dealing Harrison? He's one of their best players and a positive influence on the younger, low priced guys who will likely make up the roster. They don't award prizes to the teams that get their payroll the lowest.
I think Harrison could be dealt as he has value and wanted by other teams and the Pirates have Adam Frazier to take over 2B. And of course, they have Sean Rodriguez too.
So, it could be a combination of a salary dump and selling high with a replacement(s) in place.
Nah. That argument fails.
JHay would substantially improve 3b. So while you could make your case (I would disagree) Frazier is his ready replacement at 2nd...jHay doesn't need to be traded for Frazier to start at 2b.
Unless jHay returned a prospect 3bman, it would make the current team worse. If they're trying to win this year or next, I don't see alot of ways trading Jhay helps that to happen. If they're selling off, by all means
Why would we need to cut salary at all?
If trading Harrison can help the future, current team and the Pirates feel they have a replacement to play second base, why not trade him? How high are the Pirates on Frazier? What about Moroff, Newman, Kramer who all can make appearances very soon?
Others move would have to be made to make the team better. I agree losing Harrison for no current 2018 player would make the team worse. But that can be made up in other trades too (Cole, McCutchen).
Don't get me wrong, I want to keep everyone and add to the current team. I just don't see that happening. After they do sell some players, I hope they buy too.
Trading Harrison doesn't help current team. They get prospects back. They don't get a ready made MLB player back. What value does he get back in return from say Toronto, who is interested? Don't say Bichette or Guerrero.
Of course you want to keep everyone. You are a status quo type of person. However, you are more likely to get your wish as this organization ill probably keep most of them, if not all, but add nothing significant to help.
None of the guys you mention - Moroff, Frazier, Neuman ... play third and we have a serious void there. So ... it shouldn't matter how the organization views them relative to Harrison.
If the Pirates feel they have a replacement for Harrison at second base, they could trade him. The guys I mentioned are middle infielders. Its like the circle of baseball player life, especially in the small market world. When a younger player comes along, the older veteran gets moved. This is how Harrison got his second base job.
Yes, I do think they have a good team with a few upgrades. I believe the Marte and Kang situations deprived the team big time and they can (and could have in 2017) compete with them. I want to add a third baseman as good as Kang.
I don't know if the Pirates are planning Harrison as the full time third baseman. Right now, I think it is Freese and Rodriguez. I sure hope that changes.
If Harrison can help the future and they feel they have a replacement for Harrison, I can see him being traded. Other trades can help the 2018 Pirates or a free agent singing, which I know is rare.
McCutchen Harrison rumors
04141522343438570 wrote: The only scenario I wouldnt support signing an impact FA 3bman is if there's a young prospect 3bman that is having playing time blocked by the signing.
Since I know from past experience money "saved" during a rebuild wont be applied to future years payroll for any "push", I see no reason to support the cutting of salary for the sake of itself during a rebuild.
Frankly, I'd support the org dumping 20 million $1 bills into PNC park and having a bonfire rather than "saving" by dropping the measley payroll lower than it already is.
(I'd much prefer the org openly give it to the city than burn it, but would rather rit be burned than "saved")
I agree. When I see comments about trading Harrison to save money (don't know if that is true or not) I wonder "why?". They already have a low payroll and if they don't take on any significant additional salary what is there to gain by dealing Harrison? He's one of their best players and a positive influence on the younger, low priced guys who will likely make up the roster. They don't award prizes to the teams that get their payroll the lowest.
I think Harrison could be dealt as he has value and wanted by other teams and the Pirates have Adam Frazier to take over 2B. And of course, they have Sean Rodriguez too.
So, it could be a combination of a salary dump and selling high with a replacement(s) in place.
Nah. That argument fails.
JHay would substantially improve 3b. So while you could make your case (I would disagree) Frazier is his ready replacement at 2nd...jHay doesn't need to be traded for Frazier to start at 2b.
Unless jHay returned a prospect 3bman, it would make the current team worse. If they're trying to win this year or next, I don't see alot of ways trading Jhay helps that to happen. If they're selling off, by all means
Why would we need to cut salary at all?
This is 100% accurate. Anyone can see what management is angling for here - Frazier is the 2B man on the cheap. We have a void at third and Harrison can play it. But, saving money is more important even though it would probably cost the brass more to sign Frazier as in Todd.
There really is no good reason to trade JHay. As you stated if its to get Frazier in the lineup at 2nd, fine JHay slides over to 3rd. There's the problem they are on the hook for SRod and nobody is trading for him so sell JHay to get some of the money off the books.
Since I know from past experience money "saved" during a rebuild wont be applied to future years payroll for any "push", I see no reason to support the cutting of salary for the sake of itself during a rebuild.
Frankly, I'd support the org dumping 20 million $1 bills into PNC park and having a bonfire rather than "saving" by dropping the measley payroll lower than it already is.
(I'd much prefer the org openly give it to the city than burn it, but would rather rit be burned than "saved")
I agree. When I see comments about trading Harrison to save money (don't know if that is true or not) I wonder "why?". They already have a low payroll and if they don't take on any significant additional salary what is there to gain by dealing Harrison? He's one of their best players and a positive influence on the younger, low priced guys who will likely make up the roster. They don't award prizes to the teams that get their payroll the lowest.
I think Harrison could be dealt as he has value and wanted by other teams and the Pirates have Adam Frazier to take over 2B. And of course, they have Sean Rodriguez too.
So, it could be a combination of a salary dump and selling high with a replacement(s) in place.
Nah. That argument fails.
JHay would substantially improve 3b. So while you could make your case (I would disagree) Frazier is his ready replacement at 2nd...jHay doesn't need to be traded for Frazier to start at 2b.
Unless jHay returned a prospect 3bman, it would make the current team worse. If they're trying to win this year or next, I don't see alot of ways trading Jhay helps that to happen. If they're selling off, by all means
Why would we need to cut salary at all?
This is 100% accurate. Anyone can see what management is angling for here - Frazier is the 2B man on the cheap. We have a void at third and Harrison can play it. But, saving money is more important even though it would probably cost the brass more to sign Frazier as in Todd.
There really is no good reason to trade JHay. As you stated if its to get Frazier in the lineup at 2nd, fine JHay slides over to 3rd. There's the problem they are on the hook for SRod and nobody is trading for him so sell JHay to get some of the money off the books.
McCutchen Harrison rumors
575C54585D5C470204734A525B5C5C1D505C330 wrote: The only scenario I wouldnt support signing an impact FA 3bman is if there's a young prospect 3bman that is having playing time blocked by the signing.
Since I know from past experience money "saved" during a rebuild wont be applied to future years payroll for any "push", I see no reason to support the cutting of salary for the sake of itself during a rebuild.
Frankly, I'd support the org dumping 20 million $1 bills into PNC park and having a bonfire rather than "saving" by dropping the measley payroll lower than it already is.
(I'd much prefer the org openly give it to the city than burn it, but would rather rit be burned than "saved")
I agree. When I see comments about trading Harrison to save money (don't know if that is true or not) I wonder "why?". They already have a low payroll and if they don't take on any significant additional salary what is there to gain by dealing Harrison? He's one of their best players and a positive influence on the younger, low priced guys who will likely make up the roster. They don't award prizes to the teams that get their payroll the lowest.
I think Harrison could be dealt as he has value and wanted by other teams and the Pirates have Adam Frazier to take over 2B. And of course, they have Sean Rodriguez too.
So, it could be a combination of a salary dump and selling high with a replacement(s) in place.
Nah. That argument fails.
JHay would substantially improve 3b. So while you could make your case (I would disagree) Frazier is his ready replacement at 2nd...jHay doesn't need to be traded for Frazier to start at 2b.
Unless jHay returned a prospect 3bman, it would make the current team worse. If they're trying to win this year or next, I don't see alot of ways trading Jhay helps that to happen. If they're selling off, by all means
Why would we need to cut salary at all?
If trading Harrison can help the future, current team and the Pirates feel they have a replacement to play second base, why not trade him? How high are the Pirates on Frazier? What about Moroff, Newman, Kramer who all can make appearances very soon?
Others move would have to be made to make the team better. I agree losing Harrison for no current 2018 player would make the team worse. But that can be made up in other trades too (Cole, McCutchen).
Don't get me wrong, I want to keep everyone and add to the current team. I just don't see that happening. After they do sell some players, I hope they buy too.
How is trading JHay going to help the 2018 team? It would not help at all. They need someone to play 2nd and 3rd he is the best option at either position that is currently on the roster.
Since I know from past experience money "saved" during a rebuild wont be applied to future years payroll for any "push", I see no reason to support the cutting of salary for the sake of itself during a rebuild.
Frankly, I'd support the org dumping 20 million $1 bills into PNC park and having a bonfire rather than "saving" by dropping the measley payroll lower than it already is.
(I'd much prefer the org openly give it to the city than burn it, but would rather rit be burned than "saved")
I agree. When I see comments about trading Harrison to save money (don't know if that is true or not) I wonder "why?". They already have a low payroll and if they don't take on any significant additional salary what is there to gain by dealing Harrison? He's one of their best players and a positive influence on the younger, low priced guys who will likely make up the roster. They don't award prizes to the teams that get their payroll the lowest.
I think Harrison could be dealt as he has value and wanted by other teams and the Pirates have Adam Frazier to take over 2B. And of course, they have Sean Rodriguez too.
So, it could be a combination of a salary dump and selling high with a replacement(s) in place.
Nah. That argument fails.
JHay would substantially improve 3b. So while you could make your case (I would disagree) Frazier is his ready replacement at 2nd...jHay doesn't need to be traded for Frazier to start at 2b.
Unless jHay returned a prospect 3bman, it would make the current team worse. If they're trying to win this year or next, I don't see alot of ways trading Jhay helps that to happen. If they're selling off, by all means
Why would we need to cut salary at all?
If trading Harrison can help the future, current team and the Pirates feel they have a replacement to play second base, why not trade him? How high are the Pirates on Frazier? What about Moroff, Newman, Kramer who all can make appearances very soon?
Others move would have to be made to make the team better. I agree losing Harrison for no current 2018 player would make the team worse. But that can be made up in other trades too (Cole, McCutchen).
Don't get me wrong, I want to keep everyone and add to the current team. I just don't see that happening. After they do sell some players, I hope they buy too.
How is trading JHay going to help the 2018 team? It would not help at all. They need someone to play 2nd and 3rd he is the best option at either position that is currently on the roster.