16 years ago yesterday....

SammyKhalifa · Post by **SammyKhalifa** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:10 pm

He wasn't good, but I'm not so sure it made any difference whatsoever with that team.

Ecbucs · Post by **Ecbucs** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:31 pm

62505C5C487A59505D585750310 wrote: He wasn't good, but I'm not so sure it made any difference whatsoever with that team.

I agree with this. I at least found Lloyd to be likeable.

Overall I put Jim Tracy as Bucs worst manager.

JollyRoger · Post by **JollyRoger** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:28 pm

0D2B2A3D2B3B480 wrote: He wasn't good, but I'm not so sure it made any difference whatsoever with that team.

I agree with this. I at least found Lloyd to be likeable.

Overall I put Jim Tracy as Bucs worst manager.

At least Lloyd had some fire in his belly. My vote for worst Manager has to go to Russell. No personality, lousy motivator, resembled a zombie on the field!

Bobster21 · Post by **Bobster21** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:26 pm

4E6B68687D566B636176040 wrote: He wasn't good, but I'm not so sure it made any difference whatsoever with that team.

I agree with this. I at least found Lloyd to be likeable.

Overall I put Jim Tracy as Bucs worst manager.

At least Lloyd had some fire in his belly. My vote for worst Manager has to go to Russell. No personality, lousy motivator, resembled a zombie on the field!
I thought McClendon was the worst living manager. Russell was the worst Walking Dead manager.

SteadyFreddy · Post by **SteadyFreddy** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:31 am

The best one Lloyd ever came up with when he said that he did over like 1000 some computer simulations of who should hit 3rd in the order and everytime it came up with Tike Redman's as the best option to do so. I believe this was either the 2003 or 2004 season. As you can see that moved worked out quite well and Redman has gone on to have great success as one of the top middle of the lineup hitters in baseball over the last 10 years plus. ;D

Bobster21 · Post by **Bobster21** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:03 pm

426574707568576374757568110 wrote: The best one Lloyd ever came up with when he said that he did over like 1000 some computer simulations of who should hit 3rd in the order and everytime it came up with Tike Redman's as the best option to do so. I believe this was either the 2003 or 2004 season. As you can see that moved worked out quite well and Redman has gone on to have great success as one of the top middle of the lineup hitters in baseball over the last 10 years plus. ;D
I forgot about The Great Tike Redman Experiment. And then there was the champagne celebration for not losing 100 games.

johnfluharty · Post by **johnfluharty** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:10 pm

It's good to remember how pathetic we were in the not to distant past, given that were are in a bit of a slump the last couple seasons. In spite of what's going on this season, we are in no threat of losing 100 games.

dogknot17@yahoo.co · Post by **dogknot17@yahoo.co** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:11 pm

032E23323524337370410 wrote: The best one Lloyd ever came up with when he said that he did over like 1000 some computer simulations of who should hit 3rd in the order and everytime it came up with Tike Redman's as the best option to do so. I believe this was either the 2003 or 2004 season. As you can see that moved worked out quite well and Redman has gone on to have great success as one of the top middle of the lineup hitters in baseball over the last 10 years plus. ;D
I forgot about The Great Tike Redman Experiment. And then there was the champagne celebration for not losing 100 games.

I think it lasted only two or three games? I hated that idea, but it made me mad that they didn't stick with it. It's like the fans didn't like the move so the Pirates changed it back. I did think that was more Littlefield than McClendon. McClendon didn't use stats, he used "moxie".

IABucFan · Post by **IABucFan** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:37 pm

666D65696C6D763335427B636A6D6D2C616D020 wrote: The best one Lloyd ever came up with when he said that he did over like 1000 some computer simulations of who should hit 3rd in the order and everytime it came up with Tike Redman's as the best option to do so. I believe this was either the 2003 or 2004 season. As you can see that moved worked out quite well and Redman has gone on to have great success as one of the top middle of the lineup hitters in baseball over the last 10 years plus. ;D
I forgot about The Great Tike Redman Experiment. And then there was the champagne celebration for not losing 100 games.

I think it lasted only two or three games? I hated that idea, but it made me mad that they didn't stick with it. It's like the fans didn't like the move so the Pirates changed it back. I did think that was more Littlefield than McClendon. McClendon didn't use stats, he used "moxie".

In Lloyd's defense, I remember quite a few fans on this board who liked the decision because it was based on computer simulations. This was way before the Pirates were known to a SABR-heavy organization.

johnfluharty · Post by **johnfluharty** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:41 pm

020A093E280D2A254B0 wrote: The best one Lloyd ever came up with when he said that he did over like 1000 some computer simulations of who should hit 3rd in the order and everytime it came up with Tike Redman's as the best option to do so. I believe this was either the 2003 or 2004 season. As you can see that moved worked out quite well and Redman has gone on to have great success as one of the top middle of the lineup hitters in baseball over the last 10 years plus. ;D
I forgot about The Great Tike Redman Experiment. And then there was the champagne celebration for not losing 100 games.

I think it lasted only two or three games? I hated that idea, but it made me mad that they didn't stick with it. It's like the fans didn't like the move so the Pirates changed it back. I did think that was more Littlefield than McClendon. McClendon didn't use stats, he used "moxie".

In Lloyd's defense, I remember quite a few fans on this board who liked the decision because it was based on computer simulations. This was way before the Pirates were known to a SABR-heavy organization.

I think a lot of folks were in favor of the idea of using computer simulations as part of the decision making but skeptical of the implementation given the rather odd decision that came out of it.