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I finally got an answer from Major League Baseball to my question about extra inning "ghost runners" and perfect games. Since extra innings now (stupidly in my opinion) begin with an automatic runner at 2B, the possibility exists that a pitcher could have a perfect game after 9 innings but still be tied 0-0. The pitcher goes into the 10th with an automatic runner at 2B. All 3 batters in the 10th fly out to the outfield but the "ghost runner" tags up and goes to 3B on the 1st out and scores on the 2nd out. So after 10 innings, the pitcher has retired all 30 batters he faced without anyone getting on base except the automatic ghost runner to begin the 10th inning. The pitcher's team does not score in the bottom of the 10th and he is the losing pitcher in a 1-0 game in which every batter he faced was out. According to MLB, this would still be credited as a perfect game.



"Rule change in effect for the 2020 through 2022 seasons awarded the offensive team a free runner on second base each half-inning during extra innings. This rule opened the possibility of a team scoring a run (batting in the free baserunner on a sacrifice fly, for example) without any player ever reaching first base. This would still have been recorded as a perfect game according to MLB's official record-keeper, the Elias Sports Bureau, since an automatic runner is not a batter who reached base safely."



MLB needs to eliminate the ghost runner but it seems they are trying everything they can think of to ruin the game.

7B565B4A4D5C4B0B08390 wrote: I finally got an answer from Major League Baseball to my question about extra inning "ghost runners" and perfect games. Since extra innings now (stupidly in my opinion) begin with an automatic runner at 2B, the possibility exists that a pitcher could have a perfect game after 9 innings but still be tied 0-0. The pitcher goes into the 10th with an automatic runner at 2B. All 3 batters in the 10th fly out to the outfield but the "ghost runner" tags up and goes to 3B on the 1st out and scores on the 2nd out. So after 10 innings, the pitcher has retired all 30 batters he faced without anyone getting on base except the automatic ghost runner to begin the 10th inning. The pitcher's team does not score in the bottom of the 10th and he is the losing pitcher in a 1-0 game in which every batter he faced was out. According to MLB, this would still be credited as a perfect game.



"Rule change in effect for the 2020 through 2022 seasons awarded the offensive team a free runner on second base each half-inning during extra innings. This rule opened the possibility of a team scoring a run (batting in the free baserunner on a sacrifice fly, for example) without any player ever reaching first base. This would still have been recorded as a perfect game according to MLB's official record-keeper, the Elias Sports Bureau, since an automatic runner is not a batter who reached base safely."



MLB needs to eliminate the ghost runner but it seems they are trying everything they can think of to ruin the game.
Agreed!

546A6F67746C6C674762756631030 wrote: I finally got an answer from Major League Baseball to my question about extra inning "ghost runners" and perfect games. Since extra innings now (stupidly in my opinion) begin with an automatic runner at 2B, the possibility exists that a pitcher could have a perfect game after 9 innings but still be tied 0-0. The pitcher goes into the 10th with an automatic runner at 2B. All 3 batters in the 10th fly out to the outfield but the "ghost runner" tags up and goes to 3B on the 1st out and scores on the 2nd out. So after 10 innings, the pitcher has retired all 30 batters he faced without anyone getting on base except the automatic ghost runner to begin the 10th inning. The pitcher's team does not score in the bottom of the 10th and he is the losing pitcher in a 1-0 game in which every batter he faced was out. According to MLB, this would still be credited as a perfect game.



"Rule change in effect for the 2020 through 2022 seasons awarded the offensive team a free runner on second base each half-inning during extra innings. This rule opened the possibility of a team scoring a run (batting in the free baserunner on a sacrifice fly, for example) without any player ever reaching first base. This would still have been recorded as a perfect game according to MLB's official record-keeper, the Elias Sports Bureau, since an automatic runner is not a batter who reached base safely."



MLB needs to eliminate the ghost runner but [highlight]it seems they are trying everything they can think of to ruin the game.[/highlight]
Agreed!


My fear is that there are more asinine decisions still to come.

587578696E7F68282B1A0 wrote: I finally got an answer from Major League Baseball to my question about extra inning "ghost runners" and perfect games. Since extra innings now (stupidly in my opinion) begin with an automatic runner at 2B, the possibility exists that a pitcher could have a perfect game after 9 innings but still be tied 0-0. The pitcher goes into the 10th with an automatic runner at 2B. All 3 batters in the 10th fly out to the outfield but the "ghost runner" tags up and goes to 3B on the 1st out and scores on the 2nd out. So after 10 innings, the pitcher has retired all 30 batters he faced without anyone getting on base except the automatic ghost runner to begin the 10th inning. The pitcher's team does not score in the bottom of the 10th and he is the losing pitcher in a 1-0 game in which every batter he faced was out. According to MLB, this would still be credited as a perfect game.



"Rule change in effect for the 2020 through 2022 seasons awarded the offensive team a free runner on second base each half-inning during extra innings. This rule opened the possibility of a team scoring a run (batting in the free baserunner on a sacrifice fly, for example) without any player ever reaching first base. This would still have been recorded as a perfect game according to MLB's official record-keeper, the Elias Sports Bureau, since an automatic runner is not a batter who reached base safely."



MLB needs to eliminate the ghost runner but it seems they are trying everything they can think of to ruin the game.


IMO, it still isn't a perfect game since a run was scored. to me a perfect game will always be one reaches base. The ghost runner needs to go at least at the major league level.

785E5F485E4E3D0 wrote:

IMO, it still isn't a perfect game since a run was scored.  to me a perfect game will always be one reaches base.    The ghost runner needs to go at least at the major league level. 


That's why I asked the question. It wouldn't seem like a perfect game when a run scores. OTOH, it wouldn't seem fair to deny the perfect game after a pitcher retired every batter in the game. In today's game (100 pitch limits, etc,), such a scenario would likely be a combined perfect game but it could happen. So it would be a perfect game on a technicality, i.e., "We didn't allow the runner, MLB did!"

653325313E24343F322517303A363E3B7934570 wrote: I finally got an answer from Major League Baseball to my question about extra inning "ghost runners" and perfect games. Since extra innings now (stupidly in my opinion) begin with an automatic runner at 2B, the possibility exists that a pitcher could have a perfect game after 9 innings but still be tied 0-0. The pitcher goes into the 10th with an automatic runner at 2B. All 3 batters in the 10th fly out to the outfield but the "ghost runner" tags up and goes to 3B on the 1st out and scores on the 2nd out. So after 10 innings, the pitcher has retired all 30 batters he faced without anyone getting on base except the automatic ghost runner to begin the 10th inning. The pitcher's team does not score in the bottom of the 10th and he is the losing pitcher in a 1-0 game in which every batter he faced was out. According to MLB, this would still be credited as a perfect game.



"Rule change in effect for the 2020 through 2022 seasons awarded the offensive team a free runner on second base each half-inning during extra innings. This rule opened the possibility of a team scoring a run (batting in the free baserunner on a sacrifice fly, for example) without any player ever reaching first base. This would still have been recorded as a perfect game according to MLB's official record-keeper, the Elias Sports Bureau, since an automatic runner is not a batter who reached base safely."



MLB needs to eliminate the ghost runner but [highlight]it seems they are trying everything they can think of to ruin the game.[/highlight]
Agreed!


My fear is that there are more asinine decisions still to come.


Are you referring to MLB or the Pirates?

6C52575F4C54545F7F5A4D5E093B0 wrote: I finally got an answer from Major League Baseball to my question about extra inning "ghost runners" and perfect games. Since extra innings now (stupidly in my opinion) begin with an automatic runner at 2B, the possibility exists that a pitcher could have a perfect game after 9 innings but still be tied 0-0. The pitcher goes into the 10th with an automatic runner at 2B. All 3 batters in the 10th fly out to the outfield but the "ghost runner" tags up and goes to 3B on the 1st out and scores on the 2nd out. So after 10 innings, the pitcher has retired all 30 batters he faced without anyone getting on base except the automatic ghost runner to begin the 10th inning. The pitcher's team does not score in the bottom of the 10th and he is the losing pitcher in a 1-0 game in which every batter he faced was out. According to MLB, this would still be credited as a perfect game.



"Rule change in effect for the 2020 through 2022 seasons awarded the offensive team a free runner on second base each half-inning during extra innings. This rule opened the possibility of a team scoring a run (batting in the free baserunner on a sacrifice fly, for example) without any player ever reaching first base. This would still have been recorded as a perfect game according to MLB's official record-keeper, the Elias Sports Bureau, since an automatic runner is not a batter who reached base safely."



MLB needs to eliminate the ghost runner but [highlight]it seems they are trying everything they can think of to ruin the game.[/highlight]
Agreed!


My fear is that there are more asinine decisions still to come.


Are you referring to MLB or the Pirates?


I'm referring the commissioner and owners, primarily. Nutting's in a class by himself.