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Padres a small market team sign Hosmer for 8 years 144 million dollars. Their payroll now going into the season is 81 million. Not saying the Pirates should have spent this amount of money on a player. It still shows that these small market teams continue to go out and sign players while the Pirates and Huntington do absolutely nothing.

That means the Padres payroll was around $64 million before this deal. The Brewers did the same thing. Both of these teams are now a little above the Pirates. Were they being questioned last year about their payroll? Or is it just the Pirates and Tampa Bay?

28232B272223387D7B0C352D242323622F234C0 wrote: That means the Padres payroll was around $64 million before this deal.  The Brewers did the same thing.  Both of these teams are now a little above the Pirates.  Were they being questioned last year about their payroll?  Or is it just the Pirates and Tampa Bay? 


Neither team had 98 win seasons three years ago and went into tank form.  I don't think you clearly understand that.  It's not rocket science.



Bottom line and I want to make this point very clear to you, one who defends management like no other ... if the owner and the GM and the manager are so selling this competitive team in 2018, their inactions send a mixed message. This free agent market is totally different than any other. Stud players were or are still out there as camps open. Not too many are spending outrageous money on free agents this offseason. Colorado did it on its bullpen.



If management is selling this, they needed to get involved in free agency and they could have gotten one or two quality free agent solutions - long term at relatively cheaper prices. Pittsburgh doesn't get quality in the offseason due to cost. They had a chance this year and passed. That is a fail.

That’s the difference. The Brewers and Padres went out and add pieces and spend money. The Padres get Hosmer, while the Brewers get Yelich and Cain. The Pirates want to make you think they spend money when all they do is simply tread water. The Pirates biggest free agent signing after a 98 win season was John Jaso. Like I just mentioned that’s not spending money to me that’s treading water and that’s what’s so damn annoying and frustrating with this team.

587F6E6A6F724D796E6F6F720B0 wrote: That’s the difference. The Brewers and Padres went out and add pieces and spend money. The Padres get Hosmer, while the Brewers get Yelich and Cain. The Pirates want to make you think they spend money when all they do is simply tread water. The Pirates biggest free agent signing after a 98 win season was John Jaso. Like I just mentioned that’s not spending money to me that’s treading water and that’s what’s so damn annoying and frustrating with this team.


That is something Dog can't comprehend.

0111102731313D520 wrote: That’s the difference. The Brewers and Padres went out and add pieces and spend money. The Padres get Hosmer, while the Brewers get Yelich and Cain. The Pirates want to make you think they spend money when all they do is simply tread water. The Pirates biggest free agent signing after a 98 win season was John Jaso. Like I just mentioned that’s not spending money to me that’s treading water and that’s what’s so damn annoying and frustrating with this team.


That is something Dog can't comprehend.


It's not that I am not comprehending it, I am asking why these teams who are now near or above the Pirates in payroll weren't questioned last year. They are still one of the lowest payrolls in all of baseball. People think the Pirates should be at $125 million, yet the Padres and Brewers aren't at $90 million and are getting praised. Do you not see the lack of fairness?

2229212D2829327771063F272E2929682529460 wrote: That’s the difference. The Brewers and Padres went out and add pieces and spend money. The Padres get Hosmer, while the Brewers get Yelich and Cain. The Pirates want to make you think they spend money when all they do is simply tread water. The Pirates biggest free agent signing after a 98 win season was John Jaso. Like I just mentioned that’s not spending money to me that’s treading water and that’s what’s so damn annoying and frustrating with this team.


That is something Dog can't comprehend.


It's not that I am not comprehending it, I am asking why these teams who are now near or above the Pirates in payroll weren't questioned last year.  They are still one of the lowest payrolls in all of baseball.  People think the Pirates should be at $125 million, yet the Padres and Brewers aren't at $90 million and are getting praised.  Do you not see the lack of fairness?


This is about Pittsburgh being a 98-win team not that long ago, not making the necessary adds to put them over the top or closer to the top.  Instead, they tanked.  Went the other direction.  Milwaukee, SD and such weren't 98 win teams.  They are putting forth effort, meanwhile Pittsburgh is in tank mode.  I can't stand franchises that think their fan bases are dumb by selling this foolish notion.  Stop defending this junk ownership/management team. You are either not comprehending a very simple thing, or you have bought into this foolishness the ownership.management group is trying to sell full bore. Which is it?

54444572646468070 wrote: That’s the difference. The Brewers and Padres went out and add pieces and spend money. The Padres get Hosmer, while the Brewers get Yelich and Cain. The Pirates want to make you think they spend money when all they do is simply tread water. The Pirates biggest free agent signing after a 98 win season was John Jaso. Like I just mentioned that’s not spending money to me that’s treading water and that’s what’s so damn annoying and frustrating with this team.


That is something Dog can't comprehend.


It's not that I am not comprehending it, I am asking why these teams who are now near or above the Pirates in payroll weren't questioned last year.  They are still one of the lowest payrolls in all of baseball.  People think the Pirates should be at $125 million, yet the Padres and Brewers aren't at $90 million and are getting praised.  Do you not see the lack of fairness?


This is about Pittsburgh being a 98-win team not that long ago, not making the necessary adds to put them over the top or closer to the top.  Instead, they tanked.  Went the other direction.  Milwaukee, SD and such weren't 98 win teams.  They are putting forth effort, meanwhile Pittsburgh is in tank mode.  I can't stand franchises that think their fan bases are dumb by selling this foolish notion.   Stop defending this junk ownership/management team.  You are either not comprehending a very simple thing, or you have bought into this foolishness the ownership.management group is trying to sell full bore.  Which is it?


The Pirates put in the effort from 2013 -2015. The Brewers and Padres did not.



San Diego has had two winning seasons in the last 11 years. They have never went to the playoffs three years in a row in their franchise history. But now we are praising them because they now I putting in an effort?



The Brewers didn't improve on their 96 win season in 2011.



Both of these teams will still have one of the lowest payrolls in all of baseball as it stands now. They still need to make more moves to get over $100 million. The Pirates were where these teams want to be.



I am just being fair. Where was the criticism the last few years for the Padres and Brewers? Scott Boras probably didn't have many clients being traded.

040F070B0E0F145157201901080F0F4E030F600 wrote: That’s the difference. The Brewers and Padres went out and add pieces and spend money. The Padres get Hosmer, while the Brewers get Yelich and Cain. The Pirates want to make you think they spend money when all they do is simply tread water. The Pirates biggest free agent signing after a 98 win season was John Jaso. Like I just mentioned that’s not spending money to me that’s treading water and that’s what’s so damn annoying and frustrating with this team.


That is something Dog can't comprehend.


It's not that I am not comprehending it, I am asking why these teams who are now near or above the Pirates in payroll weren't questioned last year.  They are still one of the lowest payrolls in all of baseball.  People think the Pirates should be at $125 million, yet the Padres and Brewers aren't at $90 million and are getting praised.  Do you not see the lack of fairness?


This is about Pittsburgh being a 98-win team not that long ago, not making the necessary adds to put them over the top or closer to the top.  Instead, they tanked.  Went the other direction.  Milwaukee, SD and such weren't 98 win teams.  They are putting forth effort, meanwhile Pittsburgh is in tank mode.  I can't stand franchises that think their fan bases are dumb by selling this foolish notion.   Stop defending this junk ownership/management team.  You are either not comprehending a very simple thing, or you have bought into this foolishness the ownership.management group is trying to sell full bore.  Which is it?


The Pirates put in the effort from 2013 -2015.  The Brewers and Padres did not. 



San Diego has had two winning seasons in the last 11 years.  They have never went to the playoffs three years in a row in their franchise history.  But now we are praising them because they now I putting in an effort? 



The Brewers didn't improve on their 96 win season in 2011.



Both of these teams will still have one of the lowest payrolls in all of baseball as it stands now.  They still need to make more moves to get over $100 million.  The Pirates were where these teams want to be. 



I am just being fair.  Where was the criticism the last few years for the Padres and Brewers?  Scott Boras probably didn't have many clients being traded.


I don't think you're being fair, Dog. The Brewers could not help but lose Fielder after 2011 when he signed a mega-deal few teams could match. In 2011, Prince provided 38 HRs, 120 RBIs, .299 BA. That can't be replaced and their win total dropped in 2012. But not because they didn't try. They gave Aramis Ramirez a 46 mil deal and he gave them 27 HRs, 105 RBIs and .300 BA. They signed Aoki from Japan. They replaced problematic Nyjer Morgan with young Carlos Gomez. They increased payroll from 85.5 mil (#17) in 2011 to 97.6 mil (#10) in 2012. They couldn't overcome the loss of Fielder but not because they didn't try. You're comparing that to the Pirates following a 98 win season by replacing Burnett/Happ with Vogelsong and signing Jaso to fill the void at 1B. I don't see how you can call that fair.

5A51595550514A0F097E475F565151105D513E0 wrote: That’s the difference. The Brewers and Padres went out and add pieces and spend money. The Padres get Hosmer, while the Brewers get Yelich and Cain. The Pirates want to make you think they spend money when all they do is simply tread water. The Pirates biggest free agent signing after a 98 win season was John Jaso. Like I just mentioned that’s not spending money to me that’s treading water and that’s what’s so damn annoying and frustrating with this team.


That is something Dog can't comprehend.


It's not that I am not comprehending it, I am asking why these teams who are now near or above the Pirates in payroll weren't questioned last year.  They are still one of the lowest payrolls in all of baseball.  People think the Pirates should be at $125 million, yet the Padres and Brewers aren't at $90 million and are getting praised.  Do you not see the lack of fairness?




How do you know Padre fans haven't been questioning the team's operation?