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If the Pirates send Meadows back down, there should be a major backlash. He deserves to stay! When Marte comes back, move Meadows to right. He should play! Sean Rod should be waived when a move needs to be made. Even if Osuna is sent down, fans would and should be upset. Keep the best 25 players.

I agree with this. If the objective is to WIN, then Meadows needs to stay, and he needs to play.



I would support sitting Polanco, moving Meadows to RF and riding him as long as he continues to play anywhere near this level. Bring Polanco off the bench. If Meadows hits a wall at some point, then you can send him back down and maybe Polanco will be ready to raise his level.



But the way Meadows is rolling right now, I'd go with him. I mean it's not like he's 19.

I am not sure I want to lose a year of Meadows with a few more games now. The Pirates haven't done this in the past with their top prospects either. Meadows has been called up earlier than their other top prospects over the years.



Meadows is playing great. I know it is not his fault, but they are 1-5 with him in the line up. Meaning, he isn't putting the team over the top. The others need to step up. If they aren't stepping up, is it worth losing a year of control for another 8-12 games (or so)?

4249414D4849521711665F474E4949084549260 wrote: I am not sure I want to lose a year of Meadows with a few more games now.  The Pirates haven't done this in the past with their top prospects either.  Meadows has been called up earlier than their other top prospects over the years. 



Meadows is playing great.  I know it is not his fault, but they are 1-5 with him in the line up.  Meaning, he isn't putting the team over the top.  The others need to step up.  If they aren't stepping up, is it worth losing a year of control for another 8-12 games (or so)?
Marte is out. Maybe they aren't 1-5 if both he and Marte are in the lineup everyday?

If Meadows stays which I doubt due to Super two, it will be due to the fact that Polanco has been traded. Just like they did with McLouth when Cutch arrived. This scenario would not surprise me. They may move him and get a player who is a free agent at years end. The team getting Polanco gets rid of a soon to be free agent and gets years of control with Polanco. Could make sense!

:)323E3F646D646C61667963540 wrote: If Meadows stays which I doubt due to Super two, it will be due to the fact that Polanco has been traded.  Just like they did with McLouth when Cutch arrived. This scenario would not surprise me. They may move him and get a player who is a free agent at years end. The team getting Polanco gets rid of a soon to be free agent and gets years of control with Polanco. Could make sense!
I can only hope.

Waiving SRod and benching Polanco for now could definitely be a sensible option.



Kang is getting ready.  Moroff is in AAA.    Osuna is rostered already.    Osuna may need to play 1b more since Bell is really, really sucking this year,    I think SRod is definitely expendable.  We've got his role covered and then some.   Freese is the same. 



They aren't going to want to pay Meadows a 4th arb year though, it ends up being like a 10 million dollar swing over the next 7 years. They will get him in AAA.



  

I am fine with Rodriguez on the roster, but he shouldn't be playing as much as he has. It just so happens he is the back up CF and back up SS. Maybe it was a bad time to give Mercer a rest? I would have played Frazier more in CF or even moved Dickerson for a few games. Rodriguez shouldn't be batting against so many righties like he has. I'd much rather have Osuna or Frazier in the line up over Rodriguez even if it meant some shuffling.

48434B474243581D1B6C554D444343024F432C0 wrote: I am fine with Rodriguez on the roster, but he shouldn't be playing as much as he has.  It just so happens he is the back up CF and back up SS.  Maybe it was a bad time to give Mercer a rest?  I would have played Frazier more in CF or even moved Dickerson for a few games.  Rodriguez shouldn't be batting against so many righties like he has.  I'd much rather have Osuna or Frazier in the line up over Rodriguez even if it meant some shuffling.






You're having a bad morning with making sense to me.   Or I'm having a bad morning understanding you.    Frazier more in CF??   



The Meadows callup to play CF was like a huge, huge, HUGE success.   Are you saying even in hindsight you think we should have not called up Meadows and played Frazier more in CF? 

6368606C6968733630477E666F6868296468070 wrote: I am not sure I want to lose a year of Meadows with a few more games now.  The Pirates haven't done this in the past with their top prospects either.  Meadows has been called up earlier than their other top prospects over the years. 



Meadows is playing great.  I know it is not his fault, but they are 1-5 with him in the line up.  Meaning, he isn't putting the team over the top.  The others need to step up.  If they aren't stepping up, is it worth losing a year of control for another 8-12 games (or so)?
Super 2 status does NOT result in a loss of a year of control. It is strictly a financial issue. Normally, a player has no salary leverage for the first 3 years, can go to arbitration for years 4, 5 and 6, and can be a free agent in year 7. A super 2 player gets arbitration for years 3, 4, 5 and 6 before becoming a free agent in year 7. It's 6 years of control either way. The only difference in the extra year of arb eligibility.



Teams don't worry about it for fringe rookies because those guys may not be around by year 3 anyway or could be nontendered or are unlikely to perform well enough to get much from that extra year of arb. But they fear a projected star player could put up stats that would earn millions in the extra year of arb. But if the Pirates were to move Polanco in the next year or so and save most of the 33 million he's owed, they could easily withstand a hefty raise for Meadows (assuming he's very productive) a year early.