If Bucs sign a free-agent starting pitcher

BucsFaninGA · Post by **BucsFaninGA** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:24 pm

Was thinking who might be a target if Uncle McScorge opened up his pocketbook and enabled the front office to sign a starting pitcher.

Former Cardinal, Twin, Yankee, Ranger, Lance Lynn?

What does the board, other Pirate fans think?

Bucs Fan in GA

fjk090852-7 · Post by **fjk090852-7** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:30 pm

I like Michael Wacha. He is having a down season, he fits their mold of a large pitcher. He is under 30 years old, which is another positive. My guess, it would take three year for at least about 35 million. The biggest drawback is that due to the poor play of late,free agents may not have an interest in coming to Pittsburgh.

SammyKhalifa · Post by **SammyKhalifa** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:42 pm

from mlb.com:

Starting pitchers

Gerrit Cole (29 years old, 4.5 WAR)

Hyun-Jin Ryu (33, 4.1)

Stephen Strasburg (31, 4.0) -- can opt out of 4 years, $100 million remaining on contract

Zack Wheeler (30, 3.6)

Jose Quintana (31, 3.1) -- $11.5 million club option for 2020 ($1 million buyout)

Madison Bumgarner (30, 3.0)

Jake Odorizzi (30, 2.8)

Kyle Gibson (32, 2.6)

Cole Hamels (36, 2.4)

Tanner Roark (33, 2.2)

Michael Pineda (30, 2.1)

Adam Wainwright (38, 1.9)

Wade Miley (33, 1.8)

Homer Bailey (34, 1.7)

Brett Anderson (32, 1.6)

Andrew Cashner (33, 1.6) -- $10 million option for 2020 vests with 340 IP combined over 2018-19; becomes player option with 360 IP over '18-19

Martin Perez (29, 1.6) -- $7.5 million club option for 2020 ($500,000 buyout)

Yu Darvish (33, 1.5) -- can opt out of 4 years, $81 million remaining on contract

Ivan Nova (33, 1.4)

Julio Teheran (29, 1.4) -- $12 million club option for 2020 ($1 million buyout)

Jason Vargas (37, 1.4) -- $8 million club option for 2020 ($2 million buyout)

Rick Porcello (31, 1.3)

Jake Arrieta (34, 1.0) -- can opt out of 1 year, $20 million remaining on contract unless Phillies exercise 2-year, $40 million option

Gio Gonzalez (34, 0.8)

Rich Hill (40, 0.8)

Chris Archer (31, 0.7) -- $9 million club option for 2020 ($1.75 million buyout)

Corey Kluber (34, 0.6) -- $17.5 million club option for 2020 ($1 million buyout)

Matt Moore (31, 0.5)

Dallas Keuchel (32, 0.3)

Felix Hernandez (34, 0.2)

Jhoulys Chacin (32, 0.1)

Clay Buchholz (35, 0.0)

Tyson Ross (33, 0.0)

Alex Wood (29, -0.1)

Jeremy Hellickson (33, -0.1)

Drew Pomeranz (31, -0.1)

Edinson Volquez (36, -0.1)

Marco Estrada (36, -0.2)

Wade LeBlanc (35, -0.2) -- $5 million club option for 2020 ($450,000 buyout)

Shelby Miller (29, -0.2)

Clayton Richard (36, -0.2)

Matt Harvey (31, -0.3)

Ervin Santana (37, -0.4)

Michael Wacha (28, -0.4)

Drew Smyly (29, -0.6)

Trevor Cahill (32, -0.8)

Edwin Jackson (36, -0.8)

Derek Holland (33, -0.9)

SammyKhalifa · Post by **SammyKhalifa** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:46 pm

I like Jake Odorizzi because whenever I hear someone say his name it sounds like "Jake Over Easy," which is about as chill of a nickname as you can get

ScottinMass · Post by **ScottinMass** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 8:11 pm

How about that Cole guy at the top of the list?

Is he any good?

mouse · Post by **mouse** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 8:18 pm

I don't know if that Cole guy is any good or not, but I suggest we talk with his agent for a fair and impartial evaluation.

SCBucco · Post by **SCBucco** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 8:48 pm

I'm looking at this list and fully expect one or two of these names to be signed here.

Pineda

Wacha

Cahill

Shelby Miller

Felix Hernandez

Tanner Roark

These dudes all fit the mold.

Ecbucs · Post by **Ecbucs** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:15 pm

1202033422222E410 wrote: I'm looking at this list and fully expect one or two of these names to be signed here.

Pineda

Wacha

Cahill

Shelby Miller

Felix Hernandez

Tanner Roark

These dudes all fit the mold.

and the mold is one that only fits players that you can't count on.

IABucFan · Post by **IABucFan** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:35 pm

This is so sad...remember, NH said that they were confident with the internal options, even after Taillon was ruled out for 2020. And, let's be honest, we all know that that direction is coming from the top, which means it won't change even if there is new blood in the GM's suite.

And like someone said, who in their right mind would want to come here? We're so far removed from the days of A.J. Burnett turning down money to come back here because he loved it so much. I imagine the guys in that dugout can't wait to get out of Pittsburgh. Between the poor play with no hope for improvement, coupled with the debacles that were Jung Ho Kang and Felipe Vazquez, I'm absolutely 100% serious when I say this team is in worse shape than an expansion franchise.

No impact talent in the big leagues, no impact talent in the minors. Keller, Hayes, Newman, Reynolds, Bell, Tucker all nice players. None are difference makers. Each of those guys is probably a role player on a championship team. We need a new GM who isn't afraid to make drastic changes. Tear the ENTIRE thing down and rebuild it from scratch. Be honest with the fans about how long you think it will take. But this needs to happen. So, personally, I say "none of the above" on this list. None will want to come here, and even if they did, Nutting wouldn't pay them, and even if they did and he did, it would be the wrong move. We need to be thinking about 2024, best case scenario.

BenM · Post by **BenM** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:45 pm

14040532242428470 wrote: I'm looking at this list and fully expect one or two of these names to be signed here.

Pineda

Wacha

Cahill

Shelby Miller

Felix Hernandez

Tanner Roark

These dudes all fit the mold.

I'd add Matt Harvey. He's another pitcher management can play "Hey, I've heard of that guy!" with the casual fan.