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This past Sunday on Ben Cherington’s 93.7 The Fan show he told Greg Brown that he spoke to Joe Musgrove after the rumors that surfaced about a possible trade. I don’t believe that would have happened under the former FO. It is only an assumption, and we all know what assuming can be, but I believe Frank Coonely would have not permitted Neal Huntington to discuss a trade rumor with a player. At times I always felt that Mr. Coonely got a little to involved in the operations side the team. I cannot remember the pitchers name, but he was with the Indians and Huntington had a trade for him but Mr. Coonely nixed the deal. I know it will never be revealed, but I wonder if there was too much input by the former president of the team to Huntington and his operations group.

I like what BC did. It tells me he cares about his players and lets them know that he still wants them but that if the right deal comes up he will trade the player with the player's benefit in mind (a trade to a contender) as well as the Pirates benefit that will make them more competitive in the future. He also lets Musgrove know that if not deal come around that Musgrove is still an important part of the Pirates scheme of things at the present time.

6C60613A333A323F38273D0A0 wrote: This past Sunday on Ben Cherington’s 93.7 The Fan show he told Greg Brown that he spoke to Joe Musgrove after the rumors that surfaced about a possible trade. I don’t believe that would have happened under the former FO. It is only an assumption, and we all know what assuming can be, but I believe Frank Coonely would have not permitted Neal Huntington to discuss a trade rumor with a player. At times I always felt that Mr. Coonely got a little to involved in the operations side the team. I cannot remember the pitchers name, but he was with the Indians and Huntington had a trade for him but Mr. Coonely nixed the deal. I know it will never be revealed, but I wonder if there was too much input by the former president of the team to Huntington and his operations group.


It was reported that Huntington spoke with both Cutch and Cole about the potential that they would be dealt.



They're baseball players.  MustGroove was traded TO the Pirates.  He will be traded or released FROM the Pirates some day. 



The culture hasn't changed at all.  It's still a do nothing culture, just with worse players.

Shelton really reminds me of John Roberts management style or lack there of. He has absolutely no charisma.

637B797E7E69787F626375100 wrote: Shelton really reminds me of John Roberts management style or lack there of.  He has absolutely no charisma.
John Russell maybe?



I don't care about charisma. I just want a manager to make sound decisions and gets the most out of his roster, whatever that may be. Russell sat in the dugout and did nothing. Shelton acts like a kid with a new toy and has to show us he's managing every game with lineup and position switches. Sadly, there is no logic to his decisions.

424E4F141D141C11160913240 wrote: This past Sunday on Ben Cherington’s 93.7 The Fan show he told Greg Brown that he spoke to Joe Musgrove after the rumors that surfaced about a possible trade. I don’t believe that would have happened under the former FO. It is only an assumption, and we all know what assuming can be, but I believe Frank Coonely would have not permitted Neal Huntington to discuss a trade rumor with a player. At times I always felt that Mr. Coonely got a little to involved in the operations side the team. I cannot remember the pitchers name, but he was with the Indians and Huntington had a trade for him but Mr. Coonely nixed the deal. I know it will never be revealed, but I wonder if there was too much input by the former president of the team to Huntington and his operations group.


I don't remember the exact year but I think NH had a deal in place for Cliff Lee and it may have been Jason Bay going back to Indians. Here is link to old rumor: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/jason-bay/page/31

725455425444370 wrote: This past Sunday on Ben Cherington’s 93.7 The Fan show he told Greg Brown that he spoke to Joe Musgrove after the rumors that surfaced about a possible trade. I don’t believe that would have happened under the former FO. It is only an assumption, and we all know what assuming can be, but I believe Frank Coonely would have not permitted Neal Huntington to discuss a trade rumor with a player. At times I always felt that Mr. Coonely got a little to involved in the operations side the team. I cannot remember the pitchers name, but he was with the Indians and Huntington had a trade for him but Mr. Coonely nixed the deal. I know it will never be revealed, but I wonder if there was too much input by the former president of the team to Huntington and his operations group.


I don't remember the exact year but I think NH had a deal in place for Cliff Lee and it may have been Jason Bay going back to Indians. Here is link to old rumor:  https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/jason-bay/page/31




That was the trade that I believe Frank C. nixed. I also think Lee had a very good season that following year.

143934252233246467560 wrote: Shelton really reminds me of John Roberts management style or lack there of.  He has absolutely no charisma.
John Russell maybe?



I don't care about charisma. I just want a manager to make sound decisions and gets the most out of his roster, whatever that may be. Russell sat in the dugout and did nothing. Shelton acts like a kid with a new toy and has to show us he's managing every game with lineup and position switches. Sadly, there is no logic to his decisions.


I think eventually we are going to see that Shelton is a good manager. This 60 game season is like two months of ST Grapefruit League games. He is seeing which players are ones to build around, and retain. Going into the season he knew he didn’t have Taillon, then Archer went down before they began ST 2.0. He lost some bullpen pitchers like Burdi, and Holmes as well. Hitters which we all thought would have at least average seasons have been poor to say the least. At times for me this team has been difficult to watch, but over the past couple weeks some bullpen pitchers have stepped up, and the play of guys like Hayes has been fun to watch. I know the playing of Bell at first base has irritated many of us, but I am going to assume when the staff have their exit interviews at seasons end, they will possibly inform Bell that in 2021 he is going to be a full time DH. Assuming the DH is here to stay in the NL. None of us are in the dugout or clubhouse with Shelton, but I get the sense he has received a lot of respect from his players, and that can go a long way.

5A56570C050C04090E110B3C0 wrote: This past Sunday on Ben Cherington’s 93.7 The Fan show he told Greg Brown that he spoke to Joe Musgrove after the rumors that surfaced about a possible trade. I don’t believe that would have happened under the former FO. It is only an assumption, and we all know what assuming can be, but I believe Frank Coonely would have not permitted Neal Huntington to discuss a trade rumor with a player. At times I always felt that Mr. Coonely got a little to involved in the operations side the team. I cannot remember the pitchers name, but he was with the Indians and Huntington had a trade for him but Mr. Coonely nixed the deal. I know it will never be revealed, but I wonder if there was too much input by the former president of the team to Huntington and his operations group.


I don't remember the exact year but I think NH had a deal in place for Cliff Lee and it may have been Jason Bay going back to Indians. Here is link to old rumor:  https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/jason-bay/page/31




That was the trade that I believe Frank C. nixed. I also think Lee had a very good season that following year.


I think that was the story- that Coonelly rejected it. But, I don't know what the reason was.



When it comes to the Pirates- anytime, but especially during that period- I wouldn't be surprised if money was either directly or directly part of it. And, if that was the case, then yes, Coonelly may have been the point man, but the true "interference" would have been BOB.