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On the other hand guys, Keller got a quality start even though he struggled mightily. The bullpen was good and the game was lost not due to pitching but to bonehead play in the field and on the bases by the hitters.

2D23262F39302F2F4A0 wrote: I get what you are saying Doc, it is just painful to watch such ineptitude.  Especially since a lot of us were taught the 'right way' to play the game mentally based on game situations.  I can live with the physical errors, those are going to happen, but the blatant disregard for playing smart is mind numbing.  There is no excuse for it whatsoever, even if the broadcasters, team executives and our field manager want to try and do just that.


Completely agree. If a team saves a run by playing good, smart defense, that's equivalent to scoring a run on offense. It doesn't take as much talent to save a run as to score one, which allows lesser teams to be more competitive. And it costs less money, payroll wise, which should appeal to franchises like the Pirates. More schooling of these players throughout the minor leagues, with an emphasis on fundamentals, would pay dividends at the major league level.

7B2D3B2F203A2A212C3B092E24282025672A490 wrote: I get what you are saying Doc, it is just painful to watch such ineptitude.  Especially since a lot of us were taught the 'right way' to play the game mentally based on game situations.  I can live with the physical errors, those are going to happen, but the blatant disregard for playing smart is mind numbing.  There is no excuse for it whatsoever, even if the broadcasters, team executives and our field manager want to try and do just that.


Completely agree.  If a team saves a run by playing good, smart defense, that's equivalent to scoring a run on offense.  It doesn't take as much talent to save a run as to score one, which allows lesser teams to be more competitive.  And it costs less money, payroll wise, which should appeal to franchises like the Pirates.  More schooling of these players throughout the minor leagues, with an emphasis on fundamentals, would pay dividends at the major league level.
When the play is right in front of you and you have a lead

off second base, it has to be a case of daydreaming. Probably

lamenting and thinking about his K in the bottom of the ninth

In today's PG, Cruz said he was trying to get a big lead so he

could score on a single and help his team win

There has been a general breakdown in fundamentals throughout MLB over the last 20 years or so. My theory is that Little League, HS and college teams deal with parents who threated to move their standout kids to play somewhere else if the kid isn't happy. And some of those coaches will take an undisciplined super talented kid instead of teaching him the right way to play and possibly losing him because the kid thinks he knows everything and doesn't want to be told what to do. Some issues are caught in the minor leagues but other situations that coaches assume the player understands just don't happen to occur to some of them until they reach the majors.

I suspect it's only going to get worse. With the college transfer portal rules now in effect, good college players will transfer if a coach raises his voice or pulls a player for a dumb play.

I know Shelton doesn’t have a ton to work with talent wise and the younger players are starting to come up more and more but at what point does the blame and accountability start to fall on Shelton and this coaching staff. The bottom line is the team is not winning games and while wins and losses really doesn’t matter too much this season at least at this point you still have to be able to win baseball games and so far through 3 seasons if you wanna count the pandemic year of 60 games Shelton is not getting it done. So how much longer do you give him?? I want him gone tomorrow but in the interest of giving him more time I say I give him the 1st half of next season until late June and early July. If this team is yet again 10-20 games under .500 at that point then it’s time for Shelton to go.

16312024213C03372021213C450 wrote: I know Shelton doesn’t have a ton to work with talent wise and the younger players are starting to come up more and more but at what point does the blame and accountability start to fall on Shelton and this coaching staff. The bottom line is the team is not winning games and while wins and losses really doesn’t matter too much this season at least at this point you still have to be able to win baseball games and so far through 3 seasons if you wanna count the pandemic year of 60 games Shelton is not getting it done. So how much longer do you give him?? I want him gone tomorrow but in the interest of giving him more time I say I give him the 1st half of next season until late June and early July. If this team is yet again 10-20 games under .500 at that point then it’s time for Shelton to go.


I can't see a different Coach making any difference. Pretty sure you put Shelton in charge of the Yankees, Dodgers, money teams he'd look a lot better.

123F32232435226261500 wrote: There has been a general breakdown in fundamentals throughout MLB over the last 20 years or so. My theory is that Little League, HS and college teams deal with parents who threated to move their standout kids to play somewhere else if the kid isn't happy. And some of those coaches will take an undisciplined super talented kid instead of teaching him the right way to play and possibly losing him because the kid thinks he knows everything and doesn't want to be told what to do. Some issues are caught in the minor leagues but other situations that coaches assume the player understands just don't happen to occur to some of them until they reach the majors. 


You are correct! Society is producing a lot of young people with ISOE. Inappropriate sense of entitlement.

72657363262027212729100 wrote: I know Shelton doesn’t have a ton to work with talent wise and the younger players are starting to come up more and more but at what point does the blame and accountability start to fall on Shelton and this coaching staff. The bottom line is the team is not winning games and while wins and losses really doesn’t matter too much this season at least at this point you still have to be able to win baseball games and so far through 3 seasons if you wanna count the pandemic year of 60 games Shelton is not getting it done. So how much longer do you give him?? I want him gone tomorrow but in the interest of giving him more time I say I give him the 1st half of next season until late June and early July. If this team is yet again 10-20 games under .500 at that point then it’s time for Shelton to go.


I can't see a different Coach making any difference. Pretty sure you put Shelton in charge of the Yankees, Dodgers, money teams he'd look a lot better.


You can bet he wouldn't be giving Judge, Stanton, and Mookie Betts a day off every time you turn around. The fan base

would crucify him